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    Quote Originally Posted by JonNgog View Post
    Percival has made such a huge difference in attack since he returned.
    That’s because he’s a top, top player when he’s not knackered after being used a bartering ram in our own 20.


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    I can only go off the highlights but that right side looked electric. Be interesting to see what happens when Hurrell come back because Percy has been great in his position. Batchelor being back fit is massive for us, such a clever player and always keeps the defence thinking whether he has the ball or not.

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    Powder Puff defence in that first half by Cas, no wonder they are sitting necxt to bottom. For Saints looks as though expansive rugby is on the menu for the rest of the season. Mbye is a great astute signing has better vision than Lussick.

    Was it Tommy with the late hit, feeling the charge sheet was already made out last night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NSL View Post
    I can only go off the highlights but that right side looked electric. Be interesting to see what happens when Hurrell come back because Percy has been great in his position. Batchelor being back fit is massive for us, such a clever player and always keeps the defence thinking whether he has the ball or not.
    I agree - it’s almost as if missing key players impacts performance. Maybe the Wello = KC brigade will join those dots but I won’t hold my breath.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FearTheVee View Post
    I agree - it’s almost as if missing key players impacts performance. Maybe the Wello = KC brigade will join those dots but I won’t hold my breath.


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    I think my biggest concern is that we seem to be very bipolar. I'm not so sure that is caused by injuries.

    How many times this season have we seen us look like two very different sides in one game?

    It's certainly been the case in the last four, where we've had two awful first halves followed by two brilliant second halves and two brilliant first halves followed by two awful second halves. Then, in the first half of the season, building up a twelve points lead only to fritter it all away became routine.

    I don't know whether restored players will solve that issue, but we can't keep getting by, by playing for forty minutes each week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DD View Post
    I think my biggest concern is that we seem to be very bipolar. I'm not so sure that is caused by injuries.

    How many times this season have we seen us look like two very different sides in one game?

    It's certainly been the case in the last four, where we've had two awful first halves followed by two brilliant second halves and two brilliant first halves followed by two awful second halves. Then, in the first half of the season, building up a twelve points lead only to fritter it all away became routine.

    I don't know whether restored players will solve that issue, but we can't keep getting by, by playing for forty minutes each week.
    I wonder whether Wellens is working on incrementally changing the style of play and people are having trouble adapting

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pasty View Post
    I wonder whether Wellens is working on incrementally changing the style of play and people are having trouble adapting
    Wello did mention at the very start of the season that he wanted to throw more bodies at the opposition to improve our attack. But after the WCC we suffered with that mental fatique and stuck with the tried and tested Woolf Defence Plan.

    Losing Passi, Walmsley and LMS has probably forced his hand to do less middles battle of attrition and go to the edges. Swopping Lussick for Mbye fitted in nicely to improve that. The only problem with more a more attacking style you get more executional errors and you can't play that style for 80mins, I think thats what we are seeing now.

    I should imagine once all the players are back we will eventally play like a Holbrook team but when things go wrong we revert to a Woolf team. For me Wello has a flexible approach but being inexperienced it doesn't always work out for him. Like I,ve said all season fans need to be more patient and perhaps consider flexible expectations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pasty View Post
    I wonder whether Wellens is working on incrementally changing the style of play and people are having trouble adapting
    With Walmsley & Paasi missing for rest of season we had to do something different.
    Lees & Delaney have don't have the same sort of "wrecking ball" effect.

    We'd been using the same format for last 3 years, opposition teams knew what to expect.

    So this enforced change may well do us a favour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STIDDY View Post
    Powder Puff defence in that first half by Cas, no wonder they are sitting necxt to bottom. For Saints looks as though expansive rugby is on the menu for the rest of the season. Mbye is a great astute signing has better vision than Lussick.

    Was it Tommy with the late hit, feeling the charge sheet was already made out last night.
    Yes, was listening to it on radio Leeds. Apparently Tommy anticipated his opposite number receiving the ball, but he didn't and Tommy made the tackle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fizzy rascal View Post
    That’s because he’s a top, top player when he’s not knackered after being used a bartering ram in our own 20.


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    He’s a player I have sometimes criticised for not passing, but have more often praised him for scoring tries from nothing.
    It makes such a difference to our team when he is on the field, and maybe he passes better to the right. Remembering the Cas game 3-4 years back you could see him visibly nervous before he missed that kick at the end. Now he seems to have such confidence in his kicking it’s like we have signed a new player to kick. I hope his confidence remains because right now he is as good a kicker as anyone in the league.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pasty View Post
    I wonder whether Wellens is working on incrementally changing the style of play and people are having trouble adapting
    Whether planned or not injuries are forcing us to change our style of play. I can understand that becoming more free flowing may cause a couple of dropped balls, or forward passes created by receivers getting ahead of the ball. But a change of style should not turn us into a 40 minute team, and I caveat that by saying I have not seen last nights game yet.

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    We are not a 40 minute side. The 40 minutes is about other teams not playing for the full 80.

    Most sides have decent players who can put on a few plays but their issue is a lack of consistent effort.

    When sides are consist with their efforts then games are close scoring affairs.

    When they drop off saints don't.


    We've dropped off once this year in the Hull FC game and we also got burnt.

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    Sounds like another comprehensive win ala the Hull KR game last week. Watching the highlights, Tommy and Percy looking lethal on that edge. Great try by Bennison, showing some real class, as did Batch with his usual lung busting supporting run for his try. Second in the league with either the Pies or Catalans to drop points, happy days.

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    It's another great result for saints. Puts our destiny in our own hands and gives us a great chance at another gf.

    Like it or not we are now a wet weather side and whilst that leaves us vulnerable to attacking sides for about 1 month of the year, the rest of the year we tend to come out on top.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STIDDY View Post
    Wello did mention at the very start of the season that he wanted to throw more bodies at the opposition to improve our attack. But after the WCC we suffered with that mental fatique and stuck with the tried and tested Woolf Defence Plan.

    Losing Passi, Walmsley and LMS has probably forced his hand to do less middles battle of attrition and go to the edges. Swopping Lussick for Mbye fitted in nicely to improve that. The only problem with more a more attacking style you get more executional errors and you can't play that style for 80mins, I think thats what we are seeing now.

    I should imagine once all the players are back we will eventally play like a Holbrook team but when things go wrong we revert to a Woolf team. For me Wello has a flexible approach but being inexperienced it doesn't always work out for him. Like I,ve said all season fans need to be more patient and perhaps consider flexible expectations.
    I couldn’t agree more

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    I was at the game and i didn’t even know the Ref had put a Saints player on report, until someone text me who was listening to the match on the radio at home. They asked me “which Saints player had been put on report”. Perhaps the sides at home could keep the supporters at the game up to date with those type of things. But you would need a decent tannoy system or a scoreboard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pramtown View Post
    I was at the game and i didn’t even know the Ref had put a Saints player on report, until someone text me who was listening to the match on the radio at home. They asked me “which Saints player had been put on report”. Perhaps the sides at home could keep the supporters at the game up to date with those type of things. But you would need a decent tannoy system or a scoreboard.
    Neither Twitter feeds mention a man on report and I cant find any reference on the Cas forum either so I’m suspicious that this may be incorrect reporting from the radio

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    Quote Originally Posted by magic superbeetle View Post
    Neither Twitter feeds mention a man on report and I cant find any reference on the Cas forum either so I’m suspicious that this may be incorrect reporting from the radio
    If it was anyone it will be Tommy M. Play was brought back for a late hit. Tommy appeared to apologise to the player. Couldn’t see if he was put on report. But I assume it will be looked at
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    Just now seen the tackle from Tommy. He hit a player thinking he was going to get the ball. So actually an early hit rather than a late hit. I can see this getting cited as he didn’t wrap his arms round player but who knows nowadays.
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    Quote Originally Posted by magic superbeetle View Post
    Neither Twitter feeds mention a man on report and I cant find any reference on the Cas forum either so I’m suspicious that this may be incorrect reporting from the radio
    It was on the tackle by Matautia and Dodd on Tate who went off with an injured ankle, pretty normal tackle too be honest. Doddy signalled straight away to the ref there was a problem with the players ankle, I assume the officials didn't know what went on because like I said it was a normal tackle, looked as though he got his foot stuck in an akward position under the weight of Dodd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 49er View Post
    If it was anyone it will be Tommy M. Play was brought back for a late hit. Tommy appeared to apologise to the player. Couldn’t see if he was put on report. But I assume it will be looked at
    Didn’t think that was any more than a penalty. If he is charged is he eligible for a caution?

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    Just have to wait for the next episode of Jackanory. Showing my age there.
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    Maybe we should not give ideas to the panel.

    It was no one and nothing happened, why highlight your own players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bewareshadows View Post
    We are not a 40 minute side. The 40 minutes is about other teams not playing for the full 80.

    Most sides have decent players who can put on a few plays but their issue is a lack of consistent effort.

    When sides are consist with their efforts then games are close scoring affairs.

    When they drop off saints don't.


    We've dropped off once this year in the Hull FC game and we also got burnt.
    If that's the case, then we have a huge problem, because what you are suggesting is that the only time we have a decent 40 minutes, it's because the opposition have dropped off.

    However, I don't buy into that at all. The reality is that we were pretty gash in the first half at Salford, in the second at home to Huddersfield, in the first against Hull KR and in the second against Castleford. We were very good in the opposite halves.

    That's all about us.
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