Hurrell, Hopoate, Delaney, & Norman all back in normal training in with a shout for Hull Friday
Hurrell, Hopoate, Delaney, & Norman all back in normal training in with a shout for Hull Friday
Konrad told me on Sunday he would be back for Friday.Originally Posted by philthompson
Crazy to think but then coming back in could really help us finish with some wind in our sails. With Mata’utia doing well last week, and Sironen coming through unscathed I’m not even sure Norman gets back in…
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Makinson Percival Hurrell Hopoate/Bennison
Lomax Dodd
Delaney Roby Lees
Sironen Batchelor
Knowles
Mbye Bell LMS Mata’utia
Was there any more word on Wingfield or Walmsley. I thought there were a few whispers that there was a small chance they were ahead of schedule and had a chance of being back before the end of the year?
Walmsley was stated to be out for twelve weeks on the 25th July, so unless there has been a dramatic improvement I can't see him coming back and I hope he also rules out playing in the internationals should he be ahead of time injurywise
No mention of them mate
Suddenly look quite strong.
Keep people fit and book the open top bus.
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Injury Update
I’ve been told Walmsley will be back for the play offs.
Next week is 10 weeks since his injury so only two weeks from the 12 that was put forward as a timeframe.
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If so, he won’t be anything like match fit.
At a particularly crucial time of the year, to have a half fit prop forward is not going to help us at all.
Hopefully he recovers properly and trains up through the off season for a big 2024.
Even if he’s doing 15 minutes a half, I think it would be a big psychological boost for us, and puts doubts in the oppositions mind. If we can get him on the field, we absolutely should
He won't be playing his same role - I'd much rather have Walmsley coming off the bench for 10 minutes either side of half time than not have him at all.
If Walmsley is fit for 20 minutes a game he makes the bench no question
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Absolutely! Get him back doing 10-15 minutes of big impact stuff maybe twice per game, then give him the close season to properly recover.
Spoke to Walmsley himself. He selfishly wants to be back because he missed the end of last season and doesn't want a repeat. He thinks times against him on this one though. He's reckons he may have an outside chance of the grand final if we make it. Doesn't expect to feature beforehand.
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I'm really excited to see how Hurrell goes. If he's been staying off the pies and he's fresh he could be a huge boost to us. Looked like he was playing knackered and semi injured for ages so he could be just what we need.
Saints rushed him and Coote back for the cup final against Warrington and it was one of the factors that lost us the match. He clearly wasn't fit and shouldn't have played and I'm one of his biggest fans. Unless he has played in the semi final if we get to one, to prove his fitness he shouldn't play. All being well Knowles, Sironen etc can make up the numbers
I know we are in ifs and buts territory here, but if he is fit to play in the GF and not before then I agree with you it would be a huge risk to play him.
We have seen this year the likes of Sironen and Hurrell potentially come back too early and pick up another injury not long after. There was a plan on Friday for Sironen in that they wanted him to start because he had just warmed up, so would be better than him warming up, sat on the sidelines for 20 mins and then coming on.
I think as good as Walsmsley is, we have seen how good Lees, Knowles, Matat'utia and Delaney can play so the decision is whether this is our best team or Lees, Knowles, Walmsley half fit and Delaney is.
It would play into the oppositions hands if he is not match fit and can only play 10 mins each half, they would overwork him making him do a lot of tackles and put more numbers on him when he does a carry. Its happened before and he just became ineffective, it would be a big call by Wello to risk that outcome and probably would need to be ready in the semi final rather than a final.
Similar lines from him and Wellens.
Yet people who normally know things are saying he's back for the semi if we get there. I think they're deliberately being coy about it.
I've heard it from enough people who are normally right now to know it's definitely a thing that he'll be back.
I think the other thing to bear in mind is that the situation will be fluid, it will change on a daily basis. He could have been on target to play then had a minor setback so it doesn't mean that those who said he would be back are wrong. At the time of being told he would be, that may have been the case
I hope we don’t go down this route of playing him (unless he is fit and we lose a few players). He won’t be match fit and IMO would be a big risk in sudden death game/s. I get he missed out last season in GF but you can’t make emotional judgments. Personally if Delaney Lees Knowles and LMS are all available I’m ok with that middle. I think we are more mobile now. Plus we have more options and flexibility.
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I agree but Saints won't play him for sentimental reasons. He will need to prove his fitness, just like Sironen and most likely Hurrell will when he returns, who have both just had fairly lengthy spells on the sidelines.
We've got enough available not to take a risk, but if Walmsley is fit and able to play 20-30 mins, then Saints will play him. We miss Paasi scattering people off the bench and Walmsley can play that role, whilst the other props do longer minutes.
Very true. There's a guy on twitter who has been adamant he'd play this week and has been posting something about a speed test he had to get 85 on to play but got 101.
Almost seems too strange to make up but no idea on the validity.
If we can get 10 mins a half out of him v Wire/Salford (most likely game for us) then that would be a perfect prep for hopefully one or two more games.
Agree with others about walking into the final, don't think that should happen.
Agreed. As harsh it would be from a sentimental point of view - I would take Walmsley for a 20 minute spell over LMS all day.
Lees
Roby
Knowles
Batchelor
Sironen
Bell
Mbye
Matautia
Delaney
Walmsley
That's a fantastic pack.
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It is. Over the last few weeks we've notably dipped in performance after the starting props go off, so having Walmsley back, even if it's just for a couple of 15-minute stints, would be a huge boost.
Out defence is set up to protect Walmsley from doing work when he's playing, they won't be able to tire him out. He's very much protected by the rest of our middle unit.
Similarly, if they want to pile numbers on him, go ahead. With the likes of Bell we'll just play at 3/4 man and cause them problems there whilst they overload their 1/2 defenders.
I definitely agree with people saying there's no way he comes back in for a final if that's when he's fit, but if he's able to play in the playoffs he just has to.
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