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    I remember a lot of posters wanted Powell as our coach when Cunningham was sacked.

    For me he appears a bit Teflon coated when he struggles to take the blame for his actions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STIDDY View Post
    I remember a lot of posters wanted Powell as our coach when Cunningham was sacked.

    For me he appears a bit Teflon coated when he struggles to take the blame for his actions.
    I think you described Keiron’s coaching career there

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    Quote Originally Posted by CGSaint View Post
    I must say I dont get that impression from Powell he is overly arrogant.
    I would have agreed with you until that walk across the pitch moment.
    In his interview he said he was a winner as player and coach, think he won the CC with Leeds and the Hub cap with Cas.
    Wello must be a superstar coach by Powell`s metrics.

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    Warrington will never improve until they can actually address what’s going wrong. Powell isn’t perfect but part of me feels sorry for him. The fans think the team is shit hot and going to win it every year. Those running the club probably think like wise. An outside voice (like Powell) probably comes in with some home truths and eventually gets cast out. Too much player power and rotten culture at that club.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fishy3005 View Post
    Warrington will never improve until they can actually address what’s going wrong. Powell isn’t perfect but part of me feels sorry for him. The fans think the team is shit hot and going to win it every year. Those running the club probably think like wise. An outside voice (like Powell) probably comes in with some home truths and eventually gets cast out. Too much player power and rotten culture at that club.
    Spot on Fishy. Like you, I have some sympathy for Powell. Yes, he comes across as moody and petulant at times but watching his interview on YouTube, it's obvious he expects players to treat putting the club shirt on as an honour and that they should be prepared to pull their tripes out for the cause. He genuinely cannot comprehend why his players aren't of the same mindset. I've said before it's a culture thing, it's their DNA, they have a "big club" mentatlity but haven't deserved that title for years. Awful mentality, which has got them precisely nowhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishy3005 View Post
    Warrington will never improve until they can actually address whatís going wrong. Powell isnít perfect but part of me feels sorry for him. The fans think the team is shit hot and going to win it every year. Those running the club probably think like wise. An outside voice (like Powell) probably comes in with some home truths and eventually gets cast out. Too much player power and rotten culture at that club.
    I feel a bit sorry for him too. I think you hit the nail on the head

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    The so called ‘toxic culture’ was a myth created by Powell so he could control the narrative. Price clearly had to go, but they never finished outside the top 4 under him and consistently got to semi finals. Powell upset a number of players by refusing to allow them to have outside interests and businesses, which seems extremely harsh given how short a career RL players have now. It’s interesting that he also seems to be the only coach that had a problem with the attitude of the likes of Hill, Cooper and Charnley. And the changes he has made have been disastrous, particularly his bizarre loyalty to Mata’utia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallaght Tiger View Post
    I would have agreed with you until that walk across the pitch moment.
    In his interview he said he was a winner as player and coach, think he won the CC with Leeds and the Hub cap with Cas.
    Wello must be a superstar coach by Powell`s metrics.
    He's not the Messiah, he's a naughty boy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pasty View Post
    I feel a bit sorry for him too. I think you hit the nail on the head
    Don't want to be a doomsayer but Clark played at Wakefield and hardly distinguished himself. According to Warrington RL fans site he was one of a number of Warrington players who went to Ibiza after being given the week off during semi final weekend and was spoken to by a Warrington fan who was on the same plane. I've no problem at all with players taking a short overseas break when allowed by the club with wife's, partners, family etc, particularly if they are overseas players and want to visit other European cities, but a bunch of so called professional sportsmen going on a stag holiday in the middle of the season to the cultural capital of Europe that is Ibiza does not sit right with me, especially when they are into a string of defeats, I wonder where they've booked for Wembley weekend, Magaluf?.I don't think Powell will accept an invitation to go with them after his Wakefield Press Conference

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    I do feel like Powell tried to change the culture at the club and that is why he got rid of established players like cooper and hill to shake things up but it seems the owner would rather get rid of Powell than let him try and change things. They where poor last season and then started off this season in great style but once they lost one match they went into a downward spiral and that’s where it comes down to the culture of the club and player personalities which is what Powell mentioned in his comments. The fans expectations are very high because the owner throws money at it every year but I think he should have stuck with Powell until the end of the season. Powell got them playing a good style of rugby but some of his signings like dudson wasn’t great and giving the players a week off after so many defeats was strange but then the players going on holiday together just shows again the culture at the club. Whoever they get in next as head coach will no doubt have the same issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prez View Post
    Spot on Fishy. Like you, I have some sympathy for Powell. Yes, he comes across as moody and petulant at times but watching his interview on YouTube, it's obvious he expects players to treat putting the club shirt on as an honour and that they should be prepared to pull their tripes out for the cause. He genuinely cannot comprehend why his players aren't of the same mindset. I've said before it's a culture thing, it's their DNA, they have a "big club" mentatlity but haven't deserved that title for years. Awful mentality, which has got them precisely nowhere.
    One of the easiest ways to instil player pride in the shirt/club is to pick home grown players where possible. Saints, Leeds and Wigan have followed this path and have reaped the benefits (Leeds less so in recent years due to a succession of mediocre coaches and poor recruitment to bolster their Academy products). Powell has shown himself to be unwilling to do this, preferring to run with imports, particularly the likes of Matautia, Minikin and Holmes, rather than give Wrench and Thewlis protracted runs in the first team. He has even preferred to pick players he has stated that he would rather not have in the team than give Green, Whitehead or Holroyd opportunities. His treatment of Riley Dean is another example of his disregard for players developed within the club, preferring to loan him to Cas when Drinkwater and Williams were both injured (while having publicly blamed him for a loss last season). Yes, pride in the shirt should be a pre-requisite in any player but Powell has done little to promote that.

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    Warrington to get Holbrook? Newcastle role no longer open to Justin, big money on offer. Seems the logical choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saddened! View Post
    Warrington to get Holbrook? Newcastle role no longer open to Justin, big money on offer. Seems the logical choice.
    Paul Rowley latest rumour i've heard?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saddened! View Post
    Warrington to get Holbrook? Newcastle role no longer open to Justin, big money on offer. Seems the logical choice.
    From what I've been told, Holbrook has no intention of dragging his family halfway across the world again and wouldn't want to move over here without them. Still examining/waiting for options in the NRL.
    He's not the Messiah, he's a naughty boy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saddened! View Post
    Warrington to get Holbrook? Newcastle role no longer open to Justin, big money on offer. Seems the logical choice.
    He wonít be coming

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallaght Tiger View Post
    I would have agreed with you until that walk across the pitch moment.
    In his interview he said he was a winner as player and coach, think he won the CC with Leeds and the Hub cap with Cas.
    Wello must be a superstar coach by Powell`s metrics.
    He forgot to put second division before the word winner. 80% win rate in the championship and 56% in SL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prez View Post
    Spot on Fishy. Like you, I have some sympathy for Powell. Yes, he comes across as moody and petulant at times but watching his interview on YouTube, it's obvious he expects players to treat putting the club shirt on as an honour and that they should be prepared to pull their tripes out for the cause. He genuinely cannot comprehend why his players aren't of the same mindset. I've said before it's a culture thing, it's their DNA, they have a "big club" mentatlity but haven't deserved that title for years. Awful mentality, which has got them precisely nowhere.
    I would start by getting rid of Fitzpatrick. Between his tacky promotional stunts and Warrington's record on coach and player recruitment, he has to be held responsible.

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    Makes sense really, so much disruption for his family. Never say never but I can’t imagine too many families would be keen on that, all the while he will be eager to get back in the NRL asap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rommel View Post
    Paul Rowley latest rumour i've heard?
    Thats more like it, could be a good fit at Warrington. But the club still need to look beyond the coach to build a culture from top to bottom. As mentioned they need to look at Fitzpatrick, is he interfering too much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A.O.88 View Post
    Makes sense really, so much disruption for his family. Never say never but I can’t imagine too many families would be keen on that, all the while he will be eager to get back in the NRL asap.

    Especially given the need for a clear-out and reset within the club and, if you don't succeed within a couple of seasons, you get the boot (with a damaged reputation).

    Holbrook turned Saints around and left with a great reputation. He did pretty well at GCT but some doubts have crept in now. Another sacking straight after and his frontline coaching career is seriously derailed to say the least. He needs to pick his next move very carefully.

    The Wire job has become a poisoned chalice so he should steer well clear.

    They remind me of Chelsea under that Russian crook. An owner pumping money into a vanity project trying to get a small, also-ran club onto the sport's top table, having a bit of a divvy as chief exec, having a longish-serving coach/manager who brought some success (Mourinho/Tony Smith) but then firing managers with comedic frequency afterwards, throwing cash at players willy-nilly.

    Difference I guess is that Chelsea won the league
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    Quote Originally Posted by STIDDY View Post
    Thats more like it, could be a good fit at Warrington. But the club still need to look beyond the coach to build a culture from top to bottom. As mentioned they need to look at Fitzpatrick, is he interfering too much.
    They need to stop thinking they're a 'big' club (3 league titles in 147 years is not a big club), once they're over that delusion they might move forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fizzy rascal View Post
    They need to stop thinking they're a 'big' club (3 league titles in 147 years is not a big club), once they're over that delusion they might move forward.
    It really is bizarre how they canít get their shit together .

    Itís almost like they need to do a Leigh and start again . The brand is aligned with failure , Iíd be more inclined to be looking at a Management consultancy to go in and scrutinise the back office , top to bottom on leadership , management, facilities.

    Failing that. Bring the army in

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    Everyone is rightly saying that they need to clear out and start again, but the mad thing is they pretty much did that last year. They must have booted out the wrong people.

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    Warrington have interviewed Holbrook for the role and is their top target...his agent has said he has offers for assistant roles in the NRL too. So basically up to him on where he wants to be and what role he wants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albion View Post
    Warrington have interviewed Holbrook for the role and is their top target...his agent has said he has offers for assistant roles in the NRL too. So basically up to him on where he wants to be and what role he wants.
    I think they've got him. Why would he agree to even an interview if he wasn't interested in coming back to the UK? Warrington will likely pay him multiples of what he'd earn as an assistant in the NRL. With his agent pumping out the news that there are four NRL offers and TWO from Super League, it smacks of them turning up the heat to get Warrington to panic and throw the caravan in with the kitchen sink and the dog.

    If it's true about another Super League team making him an offer, who is that? There are no clubs with a vacancy other than Warrington and none that I can think of that have a need for one soon, other than Castleford. And there's no chance a coach of Justin Holbrook's calibre is going to be even considering an offer from them. Leeds potentially the only other club I can think of.

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