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    Default 21 man squad v Hull FC

    https://www.saintsrlfc.com/2023/03/1...sting-hull-fc/

    IN: Curtis Sironen
    OUT: Lewis Baxter

    1.Jack Welsby, 2. Tommy Makinson, 4. Mark Percival, 5. Jon Bennison, 6. Jonny Lomax, 7. Lewis Dodd, 8. Alex Walmsley, 9. James Roby, 10. Matty Lees, 13. Morgan Knowles, 14. Joey Lussick, 15. Louie McCarthy-Scarsbrook, 16. Curtis Sironen, 17. Agnatius Passi, 18. Jake Wingfield, 19. James Bell, 20. Dan Norman, 21. Ben Davies, 22. Sam Royle, 25. Tee Ritson, 34. Wesley Bruines.

    I thought Royle was decent v Leigh but I expect he will be replaced by Sironen as the only change to the 17 this week.

    Welsby
    Makinson
    Davies
    Percival
    Bennison
    Lomax
    Dodd
    Walmsley
    Roby
    Lees
    Sironen
    Bell
    Knowles

    Lussick
    LMS
    Wingfield
    Paasi

    Ritson, Royle, Bruines and Norman to miss out.

    That's what I think he will do. I would personally play Ritson over Bennison and I'd be sorely tempted to throw Bruines in for Davies as he's just a slow plodder who offers nothing and wasn't particularly great defensively v Leigh either.
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    Need to change it up this week after a couple of poor weeks, give players like Ritson and Bruines a chance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigTuna View Post
    Need to change it up this week after a couple of poor weeks, give players like Ritson and Bruines a chance.
    Not sure Bruins is quite ready yet. He's got the makings of a very good centre, but looking at his Reserve team performance he was caught out a few times defensively. Personally i'd give him some more time to work on this aspect of his game while training with the 1st team, and then maybe start giving him some game time later on in the season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint Toppy View Post
    Not sure Bruins is quite ready yet. He's got the makings of a very good centre, but looking at his Reserve team performance he was caught out a few times defensively. Personally i'd give him some more time to work on this aspect of his game while training with the 1st team, and then maybe start giving him some game time later on in the season.
    The thing with this is Davies was poor defensively v Leigh also so do we actually lose much by replacing him?
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    Welsby
    Makinson Bruines Percival Bennison
    Lomax Dodd
    Paasi Roby Lees
    Sironen Davies
    Knowles

    Lussick Wingfield Walmsley LMS

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    Quote Originally Posted by magic superbeetle View Post
    Welsby
    Makinson Bruines Percival Bennison
    Lomax Dodd
    Paasi Roby Lees
    Sironen Davies
    Knowles

    Lussick Wingfield Walmsley LMS
    You've spelt Ritson incorrectly

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    Quote Originally Posted by magic superbeetle View Post
    Welsby
    Makinson Bruines Percival Bennison
    Lomax Dodd
    Paasi Roby Lees
    Sironen Davies
    Knowles

    Lussick Wingfield Walmsley LMS
    Davies 2nd row rather than Bell ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint Toppy View Post
    Not sure Bruins is quite ready yet. He's got the makings of a very good centre, but looking at his Reserve team performance he was caught out a few times defensively. Personally i'd give him some more time to work on this aspect of his game while training with the 1st team, and then maybe start giving him some game time later on in the season.
    Maybe not, but will never know till he gets a game. As has been said, can't be any worse than Davies was last week against a promoted team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigTuna View Post
    Need to change it up this week after a couple of poor weeks, give players like Ritson and Bruines a chance.
    I'm with BIG Tuna.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Yellow Giraffe View Post
    https://www.saintsrlfc.com/2023/03/1...sting-hull-fc/

    IN: Curtis Sironen
    OUT: Lewis Baxter

    1.Jack Welsby, 2. Tommy Makinson, 4. Mark Percival, 5. Jon Bennison, 6. Jonny Lomax, 7. Lewis Dodd, 8. Alex Walmsley, 9. James Roby, 10. Matty Lees, 13. Morgan Knowles, 14. Joey Lussick, 15. Louie McCarthy-Scarsbrook, 16. Curtis Sironen, 17. Agnatius Passi, 18. Jake Wingfield, 19. James Bell, 20. Dan Norman, 21. Ben Davies, 22. Sam Royle, 25. Tee Ritson, 34. Wesley Bruines.

    I thought Royle was decent v Leigh but I expect he will be replaced by Sironen as the only change to the 17 this week.

    Welsby
    Makinson
    Davies
    Percival
    Bennison
    Lomax
    Dodd
    Walmsley
    Roby
    Lees
    Sironen
    Bell
    Knowles

    Lussick
    LMS
    Wingfield
    Paasi

    Ritson, Royle, Bruines and Norman to miss out.

    That's what I think he will do. I would personally play Ritson over Bennison and I'd be sorely tempted to throw Bruines in for Davies as he's just a slow plodder who offers nothing and wasn't particularly great defensively v Leigh either.
    i think you're right about what he will do and I agree about what I would like him to do. I would also like to see somebody give Lussick a run for his money but there is nobody in this 21 to do that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pasty View Post
    i think you're right about what he will do and I agree about what I would like him to do. I would also like to see somebody give Lussick a run for his money but there is nobody in this 21 to do that
    I feel sorry for Lussick in a way. There's only so much you can do in 10 minutes. At times I don't know why we bother with him on the bench if Wellens (and Woolf to be fair) are so reluctant to take Roby off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Yellow Giraffe View Post
    I feel sorry for Lussick in a way. There's only so much you can do in 10 minutes. At times I don't know why we bother with him on the bench if Wellens (and Woolf to be fair) are so reluctant to take Roby off.
    Problem is it's a pivotal role, needs to develop an understanding between himself and the other players, that can't be done in training or 20 minute stints.
    Surely Roby must retire at the end of this season so Lussick must have longer on the pitch.

    He needs to be starting then maybe Roby coming on to relieve.

    We need to stop depending on Roby, if not and he gets injured at a crucial part of the season we will be screwed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Infamous Grouse View Post
    Problem is it's a pivotal role, needs to develop an understanding between himself and the other players, that can't be done in training or 20 minute stints.
    Surely Roby must retire at the end of this season so Lussick must have longer on the pitch.

    He needs to be starting then maybe Roby coming on to relieve.

    We need to stop depending on Roby, if not and he gets injured at a crucial part of the season we will be screwed
    The problem with that is that he did start against Cas and Leeds (IIRC) but there were still no signs of him showing he had it in him, which is (presumably) why we felt we had to bring an obviously tired Roby back for the Leigh game (Leigh, FFS!)

    I'm afraid I don't really buy the 'he needs more than the odd 10 or 20 minutes here and there' line. Saints quality players don't hang around to be invited in, they demand their place (like eg. Wello pushed out Patch, Grace pushed out Swift, Hurrell demanded his first team slot, and Batchelor made it impossible to drop him in favour of Sironen or Matautia).

    On paper it looked a good signing, and I was as eager for Lussick to succeed as anyone, but I can't help thinking that if he was going to he would have made his move by now.

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    Sironen in for Royle feels like the only change.

    Swap Walmsley and Passi.

    Make the team that played poorly versus Leigh right their wrongs.
    I could agree with you but then we would both be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DewiSant View Post
    The problem with that is that he did start against Cas and Leeds (IIRC) but there were still no signs of him showing he had it in him, which is (presumably) why we felt we had to bring an obviously tired Roby back for the Leigh game (Leigh, FFS!)

    I'm afraid I don't really buy the 'he needs more than the odd 10 or 20 minutes here and there' line. Saints quality players don't hang around to be invited in, they demand their place (like eg. Wello pushed out Patch, Grace pushed out Swift, Hurrell demanded his first team slot, and Batchelor made it impossible to drop him in favour of Sironen or Matautia).

    On paper it looked a good signing, and I was as eager for Lussick to succeed as anyone, but I can't help thinking that if he was going to he would have made his move by now.
    The players you mention aren't playmaker it's a completely different role.

    Whether Lussick or Roby was on against Leeds wouldn't have changed Sironen Matautia or Hurrell getting cards, it wouldn't have stopped Welsby having a hissy fit and being penalised and didn't make Makinson miss a penalty that he wod have kicked 99% of the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DewiSant View Post
    The problem with that is that he did start against Cas and Leeds (IIRC) but there were still no signs of him showing he had it in him, which is (presumably) why we felt we had to bring an obviously tired Roby back for the Leigh game (Leigh, FFS!)

    I'm afraid I don't really buy the 'he needs more than the odd 10 or 20 minutes here and there' line. Saints quality players don't hang around to be invited in, they demand their place (like eg. Wello pushed out Patch, Grace pushed out Swift, Hurrell demanded his first team slot, and Batchelor made it impossible to drop him in favour of Sironen or Matautia).

    On paper it looked a good signing, and I was as eager for Lussick to succeed as anyone, but I can't help thinking that if he was going to he would have made his move by now.
    You can't compare those players because they were all game sharp coming in. Wello and grace both were playing regularly in the academy when they got their chance so was in a good flow of play. Batchelor had odd appearances here and there and made no impact, it was only when he got a run of games with good time on the pitch he cemented himself - which supports the point about Lussick in itself. You just can't build any cohesion in your play with bit part minutes - he needs a run of 5-10 games playing at least 30/40 minutes before he can be judged properly, not 10 minutes here and there with the odd game when we rotate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Yellow Giraffe View Post
    I feel sorry for Lussick in a way. There's only so much you can do in 10 minutes. At times I don't know why we bother with him on the bench if Wellens (and Woolf to be fair) are so reluctant to take Roby off.
    Yes, fair point. I'm not sure he is good enough but maybe he needs more game time to show us what he can do. He is deadly close to the opposition line but that's not enough. He kicks ok in play too but I'm not sure that's not an essential skill given out other kickers, especially Dodd obviously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penrith Plonker View Post
    The thing is, generally, Roby is usually one of the best players on the pitch for however long he's there so you can see why. Added to that, Lussick hasn't been that great when he's had the chance.
    Roby looked gassed against Leigh and should have been rotated earlier, hopefully this was picked up on review because we need to start looking at rotating him more.

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    I like Bennison, i personally think he would be better suited to fullback.

    A future 1 , 6 , 7 of him, Dodd and Welsby would be a good line up.


    But for this week, i would put Ritson on the wing. His speed will cause Hull some problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinkers89 View Post
    I like Bennison, i personally think he would be better suited to fullback.

    A future 1 , 6 , 7 of him, Dodd and Welsby would be a good line up.


    But for this week, i would put Ritson on the wing. His speed will cause Hull some problems.
    Agreed. Bennison isn't a winger and offers nothing there in attack. He can play there and anywhere in the backs for me as cover if we need him to, but he's not a long term option there. So I see no reason at all (Other than horses for courses in important games) to hurt Ritson's or a youth wingers development by sticking him there for a year or two. It does nothing for Bennison, it does nothing for the team and it does nothing from any potential academy prospects.

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    I’ve noticed in the last two games that sometimes Lussick hasn’t been at the play-the-ball. This rarely if ever happens when Roby plays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saintgeorge View Post
    I’ve noticed in the last two games that sometimes Lussick hasn’t been at the play-the-ball. This rarely if ever happens when Roby plays.
    To be fair to Lussick every 9 in SL is going to have weaknesses compared to Roby.

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    It does feel like we are sleepwalking into a post Roby problem with the way the succession is being handled. Yes its great Roby is here and can play an effective 70 minutes a week (though not last), but we really do need to be future planning much smarter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BackrowSaint View Post
    It does feel like we are sleepwalking into a post Roby problem with the way the succession is being handled. Yes its great Roby is here and can play an effective 70 minutes a week (though not last), but we really do need to be future planning much smarter.
    Signing Lussick, a proven super league player with NRL experience a year or two before roby retires seems like very smart planning to me. He may not have set the world alight yet, but we are highly unlikely to find a like for like replacement for Roby and KC, in the same way we haven’t replaced Sculthorpe or Newlove. Lussick may not be the best 9, but who out there is better at present? I think once Roby retires and he is given the 9, we will see him step up. Until then he is alsqays going to be in the shadow of Roby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KelCloset View Post
    Signing Lussick, a proven super league player with NRL experience a year or two before roby retires seems like very smart planning to me. He may not have set the world alight yet, but we are highly unlikely to find a like for like replacement for Roby and KC, in the same way we haven’t replaced Sculthorpe or Newlove. Lussick may not be the best 9, but who out there is better at present? I think once Roby retires and he is given the 9, we will see him step up. Until then he is alsqays going to be in the shadow of Roby.
    Totally agree with this . It must be difficult being an established 9 standing in the shadow of Roby . Once he can put his stamp on it I’m sure he will will a good replacement. We won’t get another Roby .


    Like you say , who would you swap Lussick for ? He is a good 9 . Not Roby but who is !

    Tomorrow for my marks the start of our season . We need to find our feet tomorrow and start as we mean to go on .

    It’s a big game for us .

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