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    Quote Originally Posted by wirefox View Post
    Has nothing been done about the shoulder charge on Matty Lees ?
    Got a Grade B for it but as it's first offence of that kind in last 12 months you just get a bigger fine with the new roles.

    Sironen would've got a fine if he hadn't done the same thing 3/4 times last season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bostik Bailey View Post
    Don’t disagree with any of that BUT. If Welsby keeps his cool we continue that set and get a shot at a drop goal, hopefully this is a very valuable lesson learned


    The point is though that by Welsby "losing his cool" he drew the officials attention to a mistake said official had made. Let's be honest apart from some players and fans on that side of the pitch, many of us missed it. Barrie Mac, Wilkin, the commentator, the touch judge and of course, Mr Kendall. The point is that having had the offence brought to his attention (and an offence deemed worth of sin binning or sending off and a subsequent penalty at that! Not to mention bans for further fixtures.) Kendall should have sucked it up, put his ego away and admitted a mistake instead of compounding the issue and saying in his view "it wasn't a shoulder charge", when all the aforementioned could see it was on a replay. Why couldn't Kendall see what Barrie Mac, Wilkin, the commentator, SKY cameras etc could see? Because his ego wouldn't allow him to! As for players losing it, despite being penalised and being warned for his conduct Blake Austin continued to argue with the referee all the way through the match. That challenge to his authority however was deemed acceptable by Mr Kendall, unlike Welsby's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Yellow Giraffe View Post
    2 matches each for Hurrell and Matautia and 1 for Sironen.

    Really could do with Hopoate being back for weekend to cover Hurrell. Then Bell and maybe Royle/Davies starting back row. Or shift Knowles to 2nd row and Wingfield 13. Gonna be tough on Friday.
    Not really a surprise. Hurrell was pretty clear a red and Sione has priors.

    Hopoate was just precautionary, so assuming that was true, then he will just slot in for Hurrell. Some players will return in the pack too so a bit of a reshuttle there. Bell is now our first choice backrower, which is a big turn around. As you say, LMS/Wingfield can move out wide a bit and Passi can return to the front row.

    Part of me would like to see some fresh legs, but I don't think that is how Woolf would have done it so it won't be how Wello does it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerry Mander View Post
    or any poultry offences.
    What if the player ducks under a challenge??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerry Mander View Post
    or any poultry offences.
    Will it affect the pecking order?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noel Cleal View Post
    Not really a surprise. Hurrell was pretty clear a red and Sione has priors.

    Hopoate was just precautionary, so assuming that was true, then he will just slot in for Hurrell. Some players will return in the pack too so a bit of a reshuttle there. Bell is now our first choice backrower, which is a big turn around. As you say, LMS/Wingfield can move out wide a bit and Passi can return to the front row.

    Part of me would like to see some fresh legs, but I don't think that is how Woolf would have done it so it won't be how Wello does it.
    Yeah I have no sympathy for Sironen and Matautia as they've done it several times previously; and you can't really argue with the Hurrell one.

    Walters getting a fine just confirms what we all knew already - Kendall messed up.

    As for this week, I'm really looking forward to it now - I always like it when there's a little bit of adversity around us and hopefully we will come out firing. We will have more than enough on paper to win - it's all about us getting back to our normal standards.
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    For the game at Leigh I would go Walmsley, Lees, Passi, Norman as props with LMS, Knowles, Knowles, Bell in the backrow with Wingfield and Roby on the bench. I,m assuming Passi, Hopoate and Roby will be available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STIDDY View Post
    For the game at Leigh I would go Walmsley, Lees, Passi, Norman as props with LMS, Knowles, Knowles, Bell in the backrow with Wingfield and Roby on the bench. I,m assuming Passi, Hopoate and Roby will be available.
    I also wish we had 2 x Knowles. Wingfield at 2nd row?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penrith Plonker View Post
    Ritson for the other second row spot obviously.
    Obviously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brook View Post
    But it isn't a try, that's the whole reason for this debate. That's why it got disallowed.
    No, it’s not a try because he touched it, the ball separated from his hand and then he touched it again which is deemed a no try as the first touch means he has to regain control. But if the first touch never happens, then despite not having much control, it would be awarded as a try due to “downward pressure”. The downward pressure tries would all be considered a knock on in the field of play, that’s why I think the distinction here doesn’t really make much sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saddened! View Post
    Could you use it for a chicken wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gerry Mander View Post
    or any poultry offences.


    You crack me up lads eggsellent.
    Thought Konnie may have got more but his disciplinary record is impeccable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KelCloset View Post
    What if the player ducks under a challenge??


    He`s a practical yolker
    Quote Originally Posted by Prez View Post
    Will it affect the pecking order?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomsepho View Post
    Shouldn’t have needed a captains challenge, the games stopped the video ref had ample time to review it, but didn’t. I’m not a fan of players staying down to game the system to get a favourable decision, but if Lees had done that we would most likely have got the decision in our favour. Potentially next time we play Leeds, who seem very keen to do it, we play them at their own game.
    I agree. We’ve always been too honest as a team. We don’t do sly things like that but if Lees stays down injured Kendal awards a penalty, the Leeds lad gets a yellow card and we win. We’re too honest. By contrast how often does Richie Myler fall on the floor? In every game at least twice he’s on his arse in back play waiting for the refs whistle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fishy3005 View Post
    I agree. We’ve always been too honest as a team. We don’t do sly things like that but if Lees stays down injured Kendal awards a penalty, the Leeds lad gets a yellow card and we win. We’re too honest. By contrast how often does Richie Myler fall on the floor? In every game at least twice he’s on his arse in back play waiting for the refs whistle.
    Too honest ? There are no levels of honesty - you're either honest or you're not. Personally I like to think, and am pleased to say, that we're generally an honest team / club. I don't think that it's possible to criticise Myler et al and at the same time suggest we should act like them ! Welsby says how much of an influence Roby is......he needs to put words into actions as no way would Roby have behaved like that !

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    Gotta say I agree
    Do things the right way. Lees would have give it back x2 legally so Welsby didn't need to run in.

    Cannot be stooping to Mylers level. That guy is a disgrace and I hope at some point he is heavily punished for his antics. By a ref or a player
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    Quote Originally Posted by MickeyJoe147 View Post
    Hi all. Fairly new to Redvee so thought I'd share my thoughts.
    Having watched the game back after being there on Friday, I thought Kendall didn't perform as bad as watching it live. Some questionable decisions (potential penalty try, 50:50 decisions, Sam Walters shoulder charge, etc) but thought he did OK. After watching it back even though he only stood his ground, the Konnie red card was correct. We had chances to put ourselves in front with Tommy missing under the sticks and still don't know why we didn't go for the DG at 24-18.
    My only real gripe is the bench. LMS, Wingfield, Bell, Royle is not a good bench. If we are not going to even play Royle, then that just shows how far down the pecking order Norman has fallen. We have Walmsley and Lees starting with Louie and Paasi on the bench. If only 1 of those get injured we are knackered. Norman is not good enough considering his size and we have no one else. (Apart from Delaney who I've heard only good things about but might not be ready just yet). We are desperate for another Prop IMO.
    Hi Mickey,

    Good point on the bench. For me though, it's a lack of an option to come on and speed the game up out of dummy half. Roby missing of course, but where was the next in line? Same against Cas in round 1.

    I commented after the game, that there was a stat that Saints only came up with 1 run out of there all game.

    Yes you want to be running with quick ruck speed, but the strength of the side is in the forwards. Lussick for all his attributes, doesn't offer that running threat. He is a schemer and so needs a foil that gives the spark.

    I do not watch the reserve or academy games. It makes you wonder about how the club see the development of players like Pemberton, whom people on here say is the third choice hooker. Or the halves, even.
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    I can't wait to play these cheats again, to correct some injustices. I hope we go out to smash Myler, Austin, Walters & Smith.

    They're a horrible, horrible team.
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