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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomsepho View Post
    In sheer terms of what they offer, i think Bennison is the far more rounded player, and playing outside Hurrell there needs to be a better defender, we saw a lot yesterday that Cas targeted that side of the field and got a lot of chances that they didnt take, i think if you are going to play Ritson it should be outside Percival with Makinson on the right, its a lot more balanced.
    I'd agree with some of that. Bennison wouldn't have done any better yesterday. It wasn't Ritson's tackling that was at fault. It was the fact the whole team was positioned poorly. He can't just stand on his wing and leave a 20m gap inside him or Hurrell would get roasted and it'd be even easier to make a break against us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by magic superbeetle View Post
    Stats are now out, and show broadly everything being discussed here; https://www.superleague.co.uk/match-centre/report/3786

    Bennison 9 tackles 0 misses, compared to Ritsons 5 tackles 3 misses. One of the interesting things is Bennison getting the "easier" ride argument on here, yet Mata'utia and Percival have more missed tackles than Hurrell and Bell - which partly explains potentially why Bennison has more tackles than perhaps expected. This obviously doesn't include some of the breaks from Mamo, where no one even got close enough to even attempt a tackle.

    The flip side is that Ritson made near double the metres gained, (somewhat helped by the penalty which didn't make touch and the break that led to his try).
    On another thread I posted that, among others, Bennison, Bell and Hurrell had good games. I’m glad that the statistics bear me out. I thought Hurrell was far better than usual in defence and some of his leg drives after contact were phenomenal. However, I still look forward to seeing Ritson again. He could be an exciting prospect if he can put his speed to good use. As Reacher has pointed out somewhere he was good at finding gaps when running the ball out and made a bit of ground by doing so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by magic superbeetle View Post
    Stats are now out, and show broadly everything being discussed here; https://www.superleague.co.uk/match-centre/report/3786

    Bennison 9 tackles 0 misses, compared to Ritsons 5 tackles 3 misses. One of the interesting things is Bennison getting the "easier" ride argument on here, yet Mata'utia and Percival have more missed tackles than Hurrell and Bell - which partly explains potentially why Bennison has more tackles than perhaps expected. This obviously doesn't include some of the breaks from Mamo, where no one even got close enough to even attempt a tackle.

    The flip side is that Ritson made near double the metres gained, (somewhat helped by the penalty which didn't make touch and the break that led to his try).
    Glad to see several people sticking up for Bennison. I thought he had a very good game, as he so often does. I have no idea why some people don't seem to rate him. I do rate him. Hopefully he'll avoid injury and play probably 300-400 games for Saints. He's a good 'un...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint from Bury View Post
    so on Friday , presume Tommy will be back. Who takes the other wing spot?
    For me Bennison is a Steady Eddie who has never let us down, but Ritson though not as accomplished offers excitement.
    I think we will probably go with Bennison but I would look forward more to seeing Ritson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belgian Saint View Post
    For me Bennison is a Steady Eddie who has never let us down, but Ritson though not as accomplished offers excitement.
    I think we will probably go with Bennison but I would look forward more to seeing Ritson.
    This, Bennison played well on Sunday, took the high bombs well and looked relatively comfortable. My issue is you can't picture him scoring those feet in the air, diving and grounding the ball before you touch the sidelines, types of tries, which have become a vital part of a winger's arsenal. As Belgian said, he's a Steady Eddie who won't let us down but he is also someone who won't score the world-class winger tries. I would prefer to see Ritson given a go because I believe he offers more in attack and his defence can be learnt as time goes on but I also think Wello will stick with Bennison. Tbf it isn't a bad situation to be in. Having those 2 as your backup wingers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Belgian Saint View Post
    For me Bennison is a Steady Eddie who has never let us down, but Ritson though not as accomplished offers excitement.
    I think we will probably go with Bennison but I would look forward more to seeing Ritson.
    I think Bennison is more than a Steady Eddie and I don’t think he’s reached his full potential yet. I’ve always been concerned about his build but that can be worked on and it hasn’t held him back. Ritson is a specialist winger with a reputation for speed and I’m sure that most of us would like him to get more game time to see what he can do. It’s a dilemma but I’m sure that Wellens will try to give both players game time but they’ll both have to earn the right to play. It’s a good dilemma to possibly have an over abundance of talent in the backs with players competing to play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaintJon View Post
    This, Bennison played well on Sunday, took the high bombs well and looked relatively comfortable. My issue is you can't picture him scoring those feet in the air, diving and grounding the ball before you touch the sidelines, types of tries, which have become a vital part of a winger's arsenal. As Belgian said, he's a Steady Eddie who won't let us down but he is also someone who won't score the world-class winger tries. I would prefer to see Ritson given a go because I believe he offers more in attack and his defence can be learnt as time goes on but I also think Wello will stick with Bennison. Tbf it isn't a bad situation to be in. Having those 2 as your backup wingers.
    I think this is the key take away, that our 3rd and 4th choice wingers are good options and importantly offer different things. One of the problems that a number of squads in SL have is that they have too many similar players, which makes them easy to prepare for. See Leeds props from last year for example.
    I could agree with you but then we would both be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brook View Post
    Oh i agree,i'm just going off what has been said about him in training etc and how it was hard not to put him in v the Panthers. The talk seems to be Ritson and pace and what he can do.
    Hopefully both lads get a good run out this year. I would throw Sambou into the picture as well, he looked ready in pre-season.
    I could agree with you but then we would both be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaintJon View Post
    This, Bennison played well on Sunday, took the high bombs well and looked relatively comfortable. My issue is you can't picture him scoring those feet in the air, diving and grounding the ball before you touch the sidelines, types of tries, which have become a vital part of a winger's arsenal. As Belgian said, he's a Steady Eddie who won't let us down but he is also someone who won't score the world-class winger tries. I would prefer to see Ritson given a go because I believe he offers more in attack and his defence can be learnt as time goes on but I also think Wello will stick with Bennison. Tbf it isn't a bad situation to be in. Having those 2 as your backup wingers.
    That may be because (so far as I can see) he's not really a winger. He looks to me like a natural full-back (Wello wasn't the quickest either) who's making a pretty good job of filling in in an area that's been difficult for us over the last season or so.

    It's probably his misfortune that (barring injuries) he won't get much of look in at full back until Welsby moves to s/o to replace JL, by which time he may have slightly missed the boat. But in the meantime I think he's a real asset and deserves all the credit he's been getting (from most)

    Ritson is a different kettle of fish completely (different skill-set, different stage of development etc) but I'm as excited as anyone to see how he goes and (as someone has already said). For now though, I think it's 'horses for courses'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DewiSant View Post
    That may be because (so far as I can see) he's not really a winger. He looks to me like a natural full-back (Wello wasn't the quickest either) who's making a pretty good job of filling in in an area that's been difficult for us over the last season or so.

    It's probably his misfortune that (barring injuries) he won't get much of look in at full back until Welsby moves to s/o to replace JL, by which time he may have slightly missed the boat. But in the meantime I think he's a real asset and deserves all the credit he's been getting (from most)

    Ritson is a different kettle of fish completely (different skill-set, different stage of development etc) but I'm as excited as anyone to see how he goes and (as someone has already said). For now though, I think it's 'horses for courses'.
    I agree. Ritson looks exiting. Bennison is a real prospect but not a winger really. I think he could play fullback or stand off and is useful as a utility back which Ritson isn't. I hope Ritson gets a run of games really.

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    Ritson and Bennison are completely different players and I agree that Jon is much more suited to full back. Hes very capable under the high ball, passes well, plays with stacks of confidence (tackles above his weight a la young Roby) and returns the ball well. Given some beefing up, I can see him doing very well and I hope Saints keep hold of him.

    Ritson is a winger - full stop. He's fast, he's elusive, he's confident and he seems to fit the Saints culture. He just needs to get more practice at SL level and thats what I was asking about in the opening post. I don't see how he's going to get enough of it, to be ready even for next season - if Saints roll the dice with him again. I like him and hope he gets the chance to progress. If he stays it would add another gameplay to Saints arsenal - the same one Wigan uses - distract up the middle, chuck the ball wide to a fast winger and with his speed, scores a nice try.

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    Quote Originally Posted by V_v_V View Post
    Ritson and Bennison are completely different players and I agree that Jon is much more suited to full back. Hes very capable under the high ball, passes well, plays with stacks of confidence (tackles above his weight a la young Roby) and returns the ball well. Given some beefing up, I can see him doing very well and I hope Saints keep hold of him.

    Ritson is a winger - full stop. He's fast, he's elusive, he's confident and he seems to fit the Saints culture. He just needs to get more practice at SL level and thats what I was asking about in the opening post. I don't see how he's going to get enough of it, to be ready even for next season - if Saints roll the dice with him again. I like him and hope he gets the chance to progress. If he stays it would add another gameplay to Saints arsenal - the same one Wigan uses - distract up the middle, chuck the ball wide to a fast winger and with his speed, scores a nice try.
    I think Bennison has a lot of ability, but you comparing him to a young Roby, do you think he could play there if he put on a bit of bulk? Interesting thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belgian Saint View Post
    I think Bennison has a lot of ability, but you comparing him to a young Roby, do you think he could play there if he put on a bit of bulk? Interesting thought.
    As hooker, I dont see that at the moment. Was more referring to his tackling. His technique and bravery specifically. Who knows though? He has a bright future ahead of him the way he's going

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belgian Saint View Post
    I think Bennison has a lot of ability, but you comparing him to a young Roby, do you think he could play there if he put on a bit of bulk? Interesting thought.
    It is interesting. Bennison as a hooker?

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    Quote Originally Posted by V_v_V View Post
    Ritson and Bennison are completely different players and I agree that Jon is much more suited to full back. Hes very capable under the high ball, passes well, plays with stacks of confidence (tackles above his weight a la young Roby) and returns the ball well. Given some beefing up, I can see him doing very well and I hope Saints keep hold of him.

    Ritson is a winger - full stop. He's fast, he's elusive, he's confident and he seems to fit the Saints culture. He just needs to get more practice at SL level and thats what I was asking about in the opening post. I don't see how he's going to get enough of it, to be ready even for next season - if Saints roll the dice with him again. I like him and hope he gets the chance to progress. If he stays it would add another gameplay to Saints arsenal - the same one Wigan uses - distract up the middle, chuck the ball wide to a fast winger and with his speed, scores a nice try.
    Wello knows what Bennison can do, but Ritson is still a bit of an unknown quantity, so I get the feeling that he'll get the nod over Bennison in a few games to see how he goes. May be unfair on Bennison, but it's reassuring to know we have someone so capable to fall back on should Ritson not come up to the mark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belgian Saint View Post
    I think Bennison has a lot of ability, but you comparing him to a young Roby, do you think he could play there if he put on a bit of bulk? Interesting thought.
    You've reminded me.... very early on, Roby played a game at right wing. I bet no-one else remembers because it was foggy as hell that night. Or have I imagined it? Sure it was during Millwards reign. Adding to the zero visibility, Robes went down injured and took forever to get someone out to him because he couldnt be seen. How do I know? I was standing a few yards away on the terrace.

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    Was it against Hull? or am I thinking of another game where Longy was playing for Hull
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    Quote Originally Posted by CGSaint View Post
    Was it against Hull? or am I thinking of another game where Longy was playing for Hull
    According to the Saints Heritage site, his only game where he started the match as a winger was in the 2004 Play-Off game against Wigan. It was his 16th senior game. (http://www.saints.org.uk/saints/match.php?seq=4530)

    He did, though, start 8 of the previous 15 games from the bench (the others at 7 or 6), so may also have come on as a winger during those games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CGSaint View Post
    Was it against Hull? or am I thinking of another game where Longy was playing for Hull
    There was one game in the fog against Hull FC, could well have been that, pretty sure it was either a pre-season friendly or right at the start of the season. The only other game I can remember in the fog at KR was a friendly against an Aus side and it definitely wasnt that. I think as Brian Nazareth says...

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Nazareth View Post
    According to the Saints Heritage site, his only game where he started the match as a winger was in the 2004 Play-Off game against Wigan. It was his 16th senior game. (http://www.saints.org.uk/saints/match.php?seq=4530)

    He did, though, start 8 of the previous 15 games from the bench (the others at 7 or 6), so may also have come on as a winger during those games.
    Yeah it was when he was covering for the winger (Ade Gardner?) when the squad were depleted. I still feel bad not knowing how I could help seeing him lay on the grass for ages and no-one coming to help. Eventually he got up and hobbled toward the other side, (he was not far from the corner of Eddington and Pop side), and then he was seen by medic staff. Maybe if I bump into Robes I'll ask him if he remembers that

    Anyway, back to... who were we talking about again? Oh yeah, Tee Ritson

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    Quote Originally Posted by V_v_V View Post
    Ritson and Bennison are completely different players and I agree that Jon is much more suited to full back. Hes very capable under the high ball, passes well, plays with stacks of confidence (tackles above his weight a la young Roby) and returns the ball well. Given some beefing up, I can see him doing very well and I hope Saints keep hold of him.

    Ritson is a winger - full stop. He's fast, he's elusive, he's confident and he seems to fit the Saints culture. He just needs to get more practice at SL level and thats what I was asking about in the opening post. I don't see how he's going to get enough of it, to be ready even for next season - if Saints roll the dice with him again. I like him and hope he gets the chance to progress. If he stays it would add another gameplay to Saints arsenal - the same one Wigan uses - distract up the middle, chuck the ball wide to a fast winger and with his speed, scores a nice try.
    Just wondering about his game time with Saints, obviously not selected for the WCC but not seleted for the opening games against Castleford, Leeds and Leigh. Seem to remember there is a clause in his loan contract that if Saints don't use him then Barrow can ask to re loan him back out to the parent club, wondering when that game time tipping point could be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STIDDY View Post
    Just wondering about his game time with Saints, obviously not selected for the WCC but not seleted for the opening games against Castleford, Leeds and Leigh. Seem to remember there is a clause in his loan contract that if Saints don't use him then Barrow can ask to re loan him back out to the parent club, wondering when that game time tipping point could be.

    He played against Castleford
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    Quote Originally Posted by STIDDY View Post
    Just wondering about his game time with Saints, obviously not selected for the WCC but not seleted for the opening games against Castleford, Leeds and Leigh. Seem to remember there is a clause in his loan contract that if Saints don't use him then Barrow can ask to re loan him back out to the parent club, wondering when that game time tipping point could be.
    he is in the squad for Leigh so could play?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Nazareth View Post
    He played against Castleford
    Forgot about that!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by STIDDY View Post
    Forgot about that!!
    Scored a try

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