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    Quote Originally Posted by Buddy View Post
    He throws blame around too much to be a great coach imo.

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    Whilst not enjoying the resullt, I enjoyed the intrviews of both Woolf and Roby after the Toulouse game - good examples of people taking accountability and refusing to make excuses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buddy View Post
    He throws blame around too much to be a great coach imo.

    He's a long way to catch up with Frank Lampard!

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    Just watched the Wire game ....Shambolic to say the least

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    When you hear Powell, he really doesn’t seem bothered. Is he on a nice fat contract that wire will have to buy him out of, I.e will he retire after this gig.

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    If Castleford beat Warrington that could be the icing on the cake towards melt down.

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    The problem isn't really Daryl Powell at Warrington, although whether he was the right appointment remains to be seen.

    They've been a mess for years. A very bad culture with too much focus on social media gimmicks and marquee signings than hard work and accountability. Whenever they lose a few games they fold and go on a losing streak because they don't have enough players who want to fight their way out of it and with the right mentality. But that comes from the top and the type of culture they've setup at the club.

    Compare them to us and it is night and day. We have leaders and good role models and our focus on youth development allows that mentality to trickle its way down from the links of James Roby, Jonny Lomax and Alex Walmsley to Jack Welsby, Morgan Knowles etc who become the next generation of winners and leaders.

    It's going to take a serious culture shift and change of mentality to turn it around and that won't happen this season and probably won't happen without a change in leadership.
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    Nice to see Coote having a strong game for KR after a slow start to the season. They do play very attractive rugby on their day.

    As for Warrington, well, safe to say something is very seriously wrong there. Almost looks like Powell has lost the dressing room already judging by the attitude of the players - has he done a Brian Clough?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blobbynator View Post
    The problem isn't really Daryl Powell at Warrington.

    They've been a mess for years. A very bad culture with too much focus on social media gimmicks and marquee signings than hard work and accountability. Whenever they lose a few games they fold and go on a losing streak because they don't have enough players who want to fight their way out of it and with the right mentality. But that comes from the top and the type of culture they've setup at the club.

    Compare them to us and it is night and day. We have leaders and good role models and our focus on youth development allows that mentality to trickle its way down from the links of James Roby, Jonny Lomax and Alex Walmsley to Jack Welsby, Morgan Knowles etc who become the next generation of winners and leaders.

    It's going to take a serious culture shift and change of mentality to turn it around and that won't happen this season and probably won't happen without a change in leadership.
    Agreed. Chris Hill was probably their only real serious 'leader' with a winning mentality. Probably not a total coincidence that Wire now look like a disorganised mess and Huddersfield look like a serious team.

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    The pack is nowhere near good enough... And Widdop, what on earth is he actually being paid to do... The closest they will get to it being the year of the Woolf is if they play repeats of Citizen Smith at the welcome to the Championship party.

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    Another player who has gone backwards is Daryl Clark struggles to play long minutes with high intensity. Just a few years back he was touted as being the best No 9 to replace Roby, but last season and this season Roby has been better than Clark.

    Warrington are in a continuous revolving transition year yet again and need at least 6 good players with some leadership qualities. I believe Philbin insulted the wire fans yesterday by laughing at them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STIDDY View Post
    Another player who has gone backwards is Daryl Clark struggles to play long minutes with high intensity. Just a few years back he was touted as being the best No 9 to replace Roby, but last season and this season Roby has been better than Clark.

    Warrington are in a continuous revolving transition year yet again and need at least 6 good players with some leadership qualities. I believe Philbin insulted the wire fans yesterday by laughing at them.
    You would have to say the past 2 years he has been the best hooker in SL. He makes a joke of Mc Shane getting the MOS.

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    The culture is clearly wrong at Warrington right from the top. I’ve heard from people who have recently left to join other clubs and they can’t believe the standard of professionalism and culture, and the level of expectation in everything compared to what it is like at Warrington.

    A coach on his own can’t change that if he doesn’t have the support from the top. Fitzpatrick might be a whizz at social media and great at hiring planes - but that doesn’t solve their core issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STIDDY View Post
    Another player who has gone backwards is Daryl Clark struggles to play long minutes with high intensity. Just a few years back he was touted as being the best No 9 to replace Roby, but last season and this season Roby has been better than Clark.

    Warrington are in a continuous revolving transition year yet again and need at least 6 good players with some leadership qualities. I believe Philbin insulted the wire fans yesterday by laughing at them.
    What has happened to Philbin? He destroyed us at Wembley but now us a shadow of that player. Have the rest of the team found out how much Giddop and Williams are on and why their own contracts are not getting bigger

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bostik Bailey View Post
    What has happened to Philbin? He destroyed us at Wembley but now us a shadow of that player. Have the rest of the team found out how much Giddop and Williams are on and why their own contracts are not getting bigger
    As well as Williams and Widdop - Signing Inglis on a huge contract is probably the worst thing that Warrington have ever done, and has probably set them back 5 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apollo8 View Post
    As well as Williams and Widdop - Signing Inglis on a huge contract is probably the worst thing that Warrington have ever done, and has probably set them back 5 years.
    Couple of other issues that Warrington have.

    - no longevity.
    Without looking anything up, Ratchford could now be their longest serving player. You cant build a winning team changing the squad every year. Look at Saints now, leeds and wigan in the past, all have had a collection of players who have played alongside each other for 10+ years creating a foundation. Wire dont have that.

    - Lack of youth development.
    They have a couple of players at the moment who look decent, but if youre a wire academy player, your chances of getting into the first team is minimal. Saints are constantly churning out players at a high standard and if youre good enough you get a chance. I would probably say Wigan is similar.


    Wire has a long long way to go. Realistically a full decade could go past them with very little to show for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinkers89 View Post
    Couple of other issues that Warrington have.

    - no longevity.
    Without looking anything up, Ratchford could now be their longest serving player. You cant build a winning team changing the squad every year. Look at Saints now, leeds and wigan in the past, all have had a collection of players who have played alongside each other for 10+ years creating a foundation. Wire dont have that.

    - Lack of youth development.
    They have a couple of players at the moment who look decent, but if youre a wire academy player, your chances of getting into the first team is minimal. Saints are constantly churning out players at a high standard and if youre good enough you get a chance. I would probably say Wigan is similar.


    Wire has a long long way to go. Realistically a full decade could go past them with very little to show for it.
    Remember last season when we presented our new academy signings at half time (if I remember correctly) the vast majority were from Crossfields or Woolston.

    So yes if you are a young player you know that going to saints will:
    1 get you a tour of Australia
    2 get a well structured introduction into the first team

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bostik Bailey View Post
    What has happened to Philbin? He destroyed us at Wembley but now us a shadow of that player. Have the rest of the team found out how much Giddop and Williams are on and why their own contracts are not getting bigger
    Around that time Philbin used to get over the top of Morgan and seemed to look for him in defence, granted Philbin was coming off the bench and could put in more intensity for short time, though since Morgan has matured physically, that does not happen.
    You are correct he does not seem to offer that energy from the bench nowadays, injury or disillusioned?

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    Rumours are that there are offering Blake Ferguson upwards of £100k. Well that should settle the rest of the squad. What is they said about us signing Barba, and social values that Warrington uphold.

    Seriously if this is true and if I was Powell I’d be straight to Fitzpatrick and tell him we done need any more gimmicky signings.

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    Blake Ferguson?? Like that’s going to fix anything. Warrington need to be asking the question how do they have internationals at 6,7 and 9 yet can’t put together any decent team trys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blobbynator View Post
    The problem isn't really Daryl Powell at Warrington, although whether he was the right appointment remains to be seen.

    They've been a mess for years. A very bad culture with too much focus on social media gimmicks and marquee signings than hard work and accountability. Whenever they lose a few games they fold and go on a losing streak because they don't have enough players who want to fight their way out of it and with the right mentality. But that comes from the top and the type of culture they've setup at the club.

    Compare them to us and it is night and day. We have leaders and good role models and our focus on youth development allows that mentality to trickle its way down from the links of James Roby, Jonny Lomax and Alex Walmsley to Jack Welsby, Morgan Knowles etc who become the next generation of winners and leaders.

    It's going to take a serious culture shift and change of mentality to turn it around and that won't happen this season and probably won't happen without a change in leadership.
    Spot on.
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    I think you only have to look at Warrington and Leeds, and be in awe of the way our club is run to maintain the success we have. Unfortunately, it will take both those clubs time to get anywhere near good enough. Success breeds success and hunger...take note Warrington and Leeds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishy3005 View Post
    Blake Ferguson?? Like that’s going to fix anything. Warrington need to be asking the question how do they have internationals at 6,7 and 9 yet can’t put together any decent team trys.
    It’s just like that Fast Show sketch:

    DP: did you get Luke Thompson’s signature with that £100k plus money we had left

    KF: even better than that I got a 32 year old winger with serious off field attitude problems

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevo's Knockonathon View Post
    I think you only have to look at Warrington and Leeds, and be in awe of the way our club is run to maintain the success we have. Unfortunately, it will take both those clubs time to get anywhere near good enough. Success breeds success and hunger...take note Warrington and Leeds.

    Both clubs can turn it around within a year or two but they can not afford to make any dud signings. Every decision made has to be the right one. I can’t understand teams spending big on wingers when they are struggling. It’s the same in Australia. Josh Addo Carr won’t fix the problems that have plagued the Bulldogs for the last 6 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fishy3005 View Post
    Both clubs can turn it around within a year or two but they can not afford to make any dud signings. Every decision made has to be the right one. I can’t understand teams spending big on wingers when they are struggling. It’s the same in Australia. Josh Addo Carr won’t fix the problems that have plagued the Bulldogs for the last 6 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Wee Waa Womble View Post
    Props win pots. No point having the best backline in the world if they’ve got no platform to work off.
    Exactly. Which is why Wire had a good spell between 2009 and 2013 as they had really good starting props and were also good from the bench.

    Leeds had a very strong pack for years, led by Peacock, who turned into Superman time and time again..

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