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    Default NRL 2022, Josh Hodgson

    Josh Hodgson, looks like going to West Tigers, the 32 year old has undergone a medical at the club, they are prepared to pay the Raiders $500,000 out of his $900,000 deal for next year. Reported in todays Sun-Herald.

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    This really surprises me, as ive never thought of him as being any good, he isnt a patch on Roby or Clark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomsepho View Post
    This really surprises me, as ive never thought of him as being any good, he isnt a patch on Roby or Clark.
    I've always thought his distribution from dummy half was slow which would really slow down England's momentum and as you said before, he isn't a patch on Roby or Clark

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaintJon View Post
    I've always thought his distribution from dummy half was slow which would really slow down England's momentum and as you said before, he isn't a patch on Roby or Clark
    Couldn't agree more

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaintJon View Post
    I've always thought his distribution from dummy half was slow which would really slow down England's momentum and as you said before, he isn't a patch on Roby or Clark
    Always seems to take 3-4 steps sideways before passing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomsepho View Post
    This really surprises me, as ive never thought of him as being any good, he isnt a patch on Roby or Clark.
    I don't think you're giving Hodgson the credit he deserves, he has widely been regarded as one of the top 3 hookers in the NRL for several years.

    Roby and Clark at their best were/are darters, explosive out of dummy half. They're a different style of hooker to Hodgson. He's schemer. At SL level, a comparison with Paul McShane would be more appropriate. In the NRL, he was compared with Cameron Smith due to his style.

    Now I've said myself when talking about the top hookers in the NRL over the past few years... when Cameron Smith was heralded as the best, I've said I would have Damien Cook in my team. That's because I prefer that style of hooker, but that doesn't mean I didn't think Smith was a great player.

    Hodgson is in the last year of his deal at Canberra and they're willing to let him go because they are unlikely to offer him an extension. They have a really good emerging hooker in Tom Starling on their books. So if he can get 2 or more years elsewhere, they'll let him go with their blessing. Contributing to a salary happens often and if the figures quoted are correct, it means they'd have ~ $500K AUD back on their cap even with chipping in on his wages elsewhere.

    On another note... I've read that Newcastle have released Mitchell Pearce to sign with Catalan. I think he'll be a good replacement for Maloney. He was still performing well in the NRL last season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Stephenson View Post
    I don't think you're giving Hodgson the credit he deserves, he has widely been regarded as one of the top 3 hookers in the NRL for several years.

    Roby and Clark at their best were/are darters, explosive out of dummy half. They're a different style of hooker to Hodgson. He's schemer. At SL level, a comparison with Paul McShane would be more appropriate. In the NRL, he was compared with Cameron Smith due to his style.

    Now I've said myself when talking about the top hookers in the NRL over the past few years... when Cameron Smith was heralded as the best, I've said I would have Damien Cook in my team. That's because I prefer that style of hooker, but that doesn't mean I didn't think Smith was a great player.

    Hodgson is in the last year of his deal at Canberra and they're willing to let him go because they are unlikely to offer him an extension. They have a really good emerging hooker in Tom Starling on their books. So if he can get 2 or more years elsewhere, they'll let him go with their blessing. Contributing to a salary happens often and if the figures quoted are correct, it means they'd have ~ $500K AUD back on their cap even with chipping in on his wages elsewhere.

    On another note... I've read that Newcastle have released Mitchell Pearce to sign with Catalan. I think he'll be a good replacement for Maloney. He was still performing well in the NRL last season.
    From the games ive seen him play i dont think i have anything to give him credit for, other than slowing our attack down to the point that we pretty much go backwards. Over the last 10 years he would be competing with Paul McShane for the spot of Englands 3rd choice hooker for me, behind Roby and Clark, both of whom in my eyes offer far more than Hodgson, including crucially, quicker movement of the ball from dummy half.

    This is my personal opinion based on what i want the hooker to do, it may be that my view of that is coloured by the quality of hooker we have had at Saints over the last 25 years, and their contribution to our style of play, but a ‘schemer’ who slows the game down from dummy half is not something that creates space needed to allow the higher flair players to create opportunities to score tries, causing the game to be even more limited to the grind and bash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomsepho View Post
    From the games ive seen him play i dont think i have anything to give him credit for, other than slowing our attack down to the point that we pretty much go backwards. Over the last 10 years he would be competing with Paul McShane for the spot of Englands 3rd choice hooker for me, behind Roby and Clark, both of whom in my eyes offer far more than Hodgson, including crucially, quicker movement of the ball from dummy half.

    This is my personal opinion based on what i want the hooker to do, it may be that my view of that is coloured by the quality of hooker we have had at Saints over the last 25 years, and their contribution to our style of play, but a ‘schemer’ who slows the game down from dummy half is not something that creates space needed to allow the higher flair players to create opportunities to score tries, causing the game to be even more limited to the grind and bash.
    Agree with this - the most important job of a hooker is fast, accurate ball out of acting half (together with an ability to mix it up running the ball so as not to be predictable) and Roby was/is a master at this. Watching Hodgson play for England/GB was so frustrating because he slows the game down sooooooo much.

    We have been spoilt with Roby's passing out of acting half - most hookers look like they are playing the game in slow motion in comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FearTheVee View Post
    Agree with this - the most important job of a hooker is fast, accurate ball out of acting half (together with an ability to mix it up running the ball so as not to be predictable) and Roby was/is a master at this. Watching Hodgson play for England/GB was so frustrating because he slows the game down sooooooo much.

    We have been spoilt with Roby's passing out of acting half - most hookers look like they are playing the game in slow motion in comparison.
    We had a problem with Roby in the first part of the season he was very average and was probably on a par with Hodgson. Roby's passing game and dropped ball was way below his best, but once we got to the Challenge Cup Semi Final he got his mojo back and was back to what he does best leading up to the play offs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomsepho View Post
    From the games ive seen him play i dont think i have anything to give him credit for, other than slowing our attack down to the point that we pretty much go backwards. Over the last 10 years he would be competing with Paul McShane for the spot of Englands 3rd choice hooker for me, behind Roby and Clark, both of whom in my eyes offer far more than Hodgson, including crucially, quicker movement of the ball from dummy half.

    This is my personal opinion based on what i want the hooker to do, it may be that my view of that is coloured by the quality of hooker we have had at Saints over the last 25 years, and their contribution to our style of play, but a ‘schemer’ who slows the game down from dummy half is not something that creates space needed to allow the higher flair players to create opportunities to score tries, causing the game to be even more limited to the grind and bash.
    Agree (and with the other posters on here who made the same point). Scarcely have I seen a more overrated player. There is little in Hodgson's game that is above average: his passing is ponderous and he seems to overplay at international level, his kicking game is average and you could'nt compare his defence to a hitter like Cunningham or even McIllorum.

    He fits very squarely into the he has done alright in the NRL so he MUST be good bracket. I'd have him a distance below the likes of Roby in his pomp, below Clark and below even the likes of McIllorum and about par with Houghton. Just do not rate Hodgson at all to be honest.

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    Agree with the general thoughts on Hodgson here. I've found him incredibly frustrating to watch when playing for England/GB. He's obviously on a completely different planet ability-wise, but it reminds me of watching Saints with Tommy Lee at 9: he picks up the ball at dummy half, takes two or three steps out to one side, looks around for something, then if there's nothing on he passes the ball. By that time the defensive line already know which way the play is going and are already all over you, and your first receiver and everyone outside him is still wondering whether to wait or go. It completely neuters the attack.

    He's highly rated in Aus so whether this is something he just does for England I don't know - maybe he thinks that because he's a big star in the NRL he needs to do more with the ball when he represents his country - but whatever the reason, in the international games I've seen him play he's been more hindrance than help. There are three or four hookers I'd rather see in the England side ahead of him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomsepho View Post
    From the games ive seen him play i dont think i have anything to give him credit for, other than slowing our attack down to the point that we pretty much go backwards. Over the last 10 years he would be competing with Paul McShane for the spot of Englands 3rd choice hooker for me, behind Roby and Clark, both of whom in my eyes offer far more than Hodgson, including crucially, quicker movement of the ball from dummy half.

    This is my personal opinion based on what i want the hooker to do, it may be that my view of that is coloured by the quality of hooker we have had at Saints over the last 25 years, and their contribution to our style of play, but a ‘schemer’ who slows the game down from dummy half is not something that creates space needed to allow the higher flair players to create opportunities to score tries, causing the game to be even more limited to the grind and bash.
    Agree with this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ex Parrer View Post
    Josh Hodgson, looks like going to West Tigers, the 32 year old has undergone a medical at the club, they are prepared to pay the Raiders $500,000 out of his $900,000 deal for next year. Reported in todays Sun-Herald.
    So does this mean the Raiders are willing to pay 400k to get rid of him?
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