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    Quote Originally Posted by reliable sauce View Post
    More great news coming out of Wigan

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co...mments-wrapper

    Sean O’Loughlin is next.

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    Someone explain please. All im getting is a s*** ton of pop ups when i click on the link :/
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    Quote Originally Posted by fishy3005 View Post
    Someone explain please. All im getting is a s*** ton of pop ups when i click on the link :/
    Wigan, rather than signing a new halfback, are looking likely to get Tommy Leuluai going around again. Coupled with the rumours of them replacing Hardaker with Sarginson, they are really looking in a spot for their recruitment…

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    Quote Originally Posted by magic superbeetle View Post
    Wigan, rather than signing a new halfback, are looking likely to get Tommy Leuluai going around again. Coupled with the rumours of them replacing Hardaker with Sarginson, they are really looking in a spot for their recruitment…
    Mmmm. Personally even at his best I’ve always considered Leuluia a better 9 than a 7. Sarginson is definitely an improvement on current Hardaker though.
    Wigan are a big project to fix though. I called it 3 years ago. How can you plan for the future when you guarantee a second row forward (Bateman) the marquee spot if and when he ever returns. A crazy piece of business by Wigan. He’s returned on top money, left his heart in Australia and upset any team spirit the goons once had.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fishy3005 View Post
    Mmmm. Personally even at his best I’ve always considered Leuluia a better 9 than a 7. Sarginson is definitely an improvement on current Hardaker though.
    Wigan are a big project to fix though. I called it 3 years ago. How can you plan for the future when you guarantee a second row forward (Bateman) the marquee spot if and when he ever returns. A crazy piece of business by Wigan. He’s returned on top money, left his heart in Australia and upset any team spirit the goons once had.
    Leneghan and the ginger turnstile get all they deserve.
    I think it’s more around who they’ve lost, and there’s no excitement in their recruitment (unless they have a real rabbit in the hat).

    Losing Hardaker, Gildart, Hastings and replacing them with Thornley, Sarginson and Kaide Ellis, and then claim to “only have 73k left on the cap” is a bit bizarre (especially comparing their recruitment to ours for example) - Mago should be an upgrade on Clubb (or at least should be, it would hard not to!) but you don’t look at their 1-17 for next year with any sort of concern. Their major problem this year was scoring tries and nothing about their recruitment looks to resolve that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by magic superbeetle View Post
    I think it’s more around who they’ve lost, and there’s no excitement in their recruitment (unless they have a real rabbit in the hat).

    Losing Hardaker, Gildart, Hastings and replacing them with Thornley, Sarginson and Kaide Ellis, and then claim to “only have 73k left on the cap” is a bit bizarre (especially comparing their recruitment to ours for example) - Mago should be an upgrade on Clubb (or at least should be, it would hard not to!) but you don’t look at their 1-17 for next year with any sort of concern. Their major problem this year was scoring tries and nothing about their recruitment looks to resolve that.
    I agree. They look a mess to be honest. They overachieved making last years grand final. Next year they will be lucky to make the top 6.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fishy3005 View Post
    I agree. They look a mess to be honest. They overachieved making last years grand final. Next year they will be lucky to make the top 6.
    The only saving grace is the league is junk . They do seem to be in a spot of bother going forward .The only big game atmosphere we are likely to experience next year is if we earn the opportunity to play in a WCC !

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    Quote Originally Posted by magic superbeetle View Post
    Wigan, rather than signing a new halfback, are looking likely to get Tommy Leuluai going around again. Coupled with the rumours of them replacing Hardaker with Sarginson, they are really looking in a spot for their recruitment…
    Sarginson? Where has the come from ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishy3005 View Post
    I agree. They look a mess to be honest. They overachieved making last years grand final. Next year they will be lucky to make the top 6.
    Lam reckons they are in a good place going forward

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogues Gallery View Post
    I don't get the criticism of Bateman last night. He made more metres than any other forward (on either side), made forty tackles and five tackle busts (only Hardaker with ten on either side made more)

    Only conceding eight points should be enough to win a game, but the attack is so blunt at the moment and teams know if they shut Hastings down Wigan struggle, we have really missed Bevan French as he could provide that spark and individual brilliance.
    Harry Smith is getting a lot of criticism from Wigan fans but for me he's done o.k. considering he was meant to be a bench player this year. His match stats are pretty good for a young half, most attacking kicks up there for try assists. IF we can get the pack sorted out he'll be fine.

    The biggest mistake we made was letting Tom Davies go.
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    At least Wolfie has come on here and been honest about how poor Wire were, so credit to him/her.
    It'll be excellent to see how much poorer you'll be next year than this too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2112_Saint View Post
    Lam reckons they are in a good place going forward
    Seems his fortune telling is up there with his coaching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2112_Saint View Post
    Lam reckons they are in a good place going forward
    I think when he got Coach of the Year last season it kind of got stuck in his head that he still good and distorted this seasons reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogues Gallery View Post
    I don't get the criticism of Bateman last night. He made more metres than any other forward (on either side), made forty tackles and five tackle busts (only Hardaker with ten on either side made more)

    Only conceding eight points should be enough to win a game, but the attack is so blunt at the moment and teams know if they shut Hastings down Wigan struggle, we have really missed Bevan French as he could provide that spark and individual brilliance.
    Harry Smith is getting a lot of criticism from Wigan fans but for me he's done o.k. considering he was meant to be a bench player this year. His match stats are pretty good for a young half, most attacking kicks up there for try assists. IF we can get the pack sorted out he'll be fine.

    The biggest mistake we made was letting Tom Davies go.
    He might have played OK v Leeds, I can't remember him standing out personally.

    However, overall I think he has been a bit of disappointment. Whenever I have seen him this season he has seemed clumsy and ill-disciplined. Mistakes, penalties and at times easily rattled and a bit petulant. He hasn't lived up to the hype at all (some of which his own doing on Twitter.) When we have played you I have been more concerned about Farrell and KPP than him. He's not someone at the moment that I see on the team sheet and am overly bothered by. He needs to be much better for you next season in my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2112_Saint View Post
    Lam reckons they are in a good place going forward
    Ah but that is only because he has taken us back that far, any further regression would have been relegation. Easy to move forward from the bottom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Yellow Giraffe View Post
    He might have played OK v Leeds, I can't remember him standing out personally.

    However, overall I think he has been a bit of disappointment. Whenever I have seen him this season he has seemed clumsy and ill-disciplined. Mistakes, penalties and at times easily rattled and a bit petulant. He hasn't lived up to the hype at all (some of which his own doing on Twitter.) When we have played you I have been more concerned about Farrell and KPP than him. He's not someone at the moment that I see on the team sheet and am overly bothered by. He needs to be much better for you next season in my opinion.
    And I'll give you the same reply to your same post on RL Fans

    In sixteen appearances Bateman has made almost 1800 metres, only given away five penalties, made 558 tackles only missing 35, with 37 offloads. I agree his eighteen errors are too many. But, Liam Farrell apart there are few backrow forwards that can match those stats, and certainly none at Saints.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogues Gallery View Post
    And I'll give you the same reply to your same post on RL Fans

    In sixteen appearances Bateman has made almost 1800 metres, only given away five penalties, made 558 tackles only missing 35, with 37 offloads. I agree his eighteen errors are too many. But, Liam Farrell apart there are few backrow forwards that can match those stats, and certainly none at Saints.
    Stats don't read the full picture and you know that.

    The reason his work rate has been so high is because your middles are terrible and your back row have had to compensate for this both in carries and defensively.

    As other posters have said, seeing Batemans name on the team sheet gives little to no threat currently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogues Gallery View Post
    And I'll give you the same reply to your same post on RL Fans

    In sixteen appearances Bateman has made almost 1800 metres, only given away five penalties, made 558 tackles only missing 35, with 37 offloads. I agree his eighteen errors are too many. But, Liam Farrell apart there are few backrow forwards that can match those stats, and certainly none at Saints.
    And yet we keep winning, while you have difficulty scoring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BackrowSaint View Post
    Stats don't read the full picture and you know that.

    The reason his work rate has been so high is because your middles are terrible and your back row have had to compensate for this both in carries and defensively.

    As other posters have said, seeing Batemans name on the team sheet gives little to no threat currently.
    His biggest problem is that he slows the game down for his team, he's gets far too involved in the arm wrestle by the time he has got his offload away the opposition defence have reset.

    Thats one of the reasons you have one of the worse metres per carry and are just above Hull KR, Wakey and Leigh for that stat. Your front row doesn't help so you need your backrow forwards to get on with it, thats why you also have the worse record in Superleague for the number of times you produce ZERO points in one particular half in a game.

    We had a similar problem with Bentley.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogues Gallery View Post
    there are few backrow forwards that can match those stats, and certainly none at Saints.

    And yet I'm not in any way jealous


    (I also wouldn't swap Knowles for Bateman in any scenario)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogues Gallery View Post
    And I'll give you the same reply to your same post on RL Fans

    In sixteen appearances Bateman has made almost 1800 metres, only given away five penalties, made 558 tackles only missing 35, with 37 offloads. I agree his eighteen errors are too many. But, Liam Farrell apart there are few backrow forwards that can match those stats, and certainly none at Saints.
    Those 1800 metres made,that must include those he dose when you concede a try and he as to run back behind the line why the conversion is taken.

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    He's also done feck-all against us this year.

    Not noticed him in games against other big contenders, either.

    Is he just a flat-track bully?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Belgian Saint View Post
    Seems his fortune telling is up there with his coaching.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogues Gallery View Post
    And I'll give you the same reply to your same post on RL Fans

    In sixteen appearances Bateman has made almost 1800 metres, only given away five penalties, made 558 tackles only missing 35, with 37 offloads. I agree his eighteen errors are too many. But, Liam Farrell apart there are few backrow forwards that can match those stats, and certainly none at Saints.
    We can’t match Wigan’s losses either. 4th flattered you and you couldn’t score in a brothel with a dick made of tenners.

    All the Saints lads are polishing their medals and trophy’s.

    Don’t be surprised to see it again next season whilst you slip further and further into the abyss, but you’ll be Ok reminiscing about days of old and tales of yore. When you bring back Wane and he can’t magic up any polish for the turds you have playing for you in your rented stadium and blue seats, and people think you e changed the club name from “Wigan Warriors” to “Wigan Nil” because they heard it so much this season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogues Gallery View Post
    And I'll give you the same reply to your same post on RL Fans

    In sixteen appearances Bateman has made almost 1800 metres, only given away five penalties, made 558 tackles only missing 35, with 37 offloads. I agree his eighteen errors are too many. But, Liam Farrell apart there are few backrow forwards that can match those stats, and certainly none at Saints.
    That's all well and good. But because he's got zilch around him in terms of metre eating props, his graft doesn't count for much. As proven by your pack being ran over by Leeds last week. Unfortunately, it's better to sum up a forward pack by the collective. And yours is well, pretty average.

    Now Bateman's graft at Canberra (and in his first spell at Wigan to be fair) was clear for all to see as he had good forwards around him.

    As I have posted before, I'm a huge fan of Bateman. He's tough, niggly and aggressive. He's also incredibly brave and a worker. Top, top player. But it's got you nowhere.

    Stick around but post less and read other posts more carefully, you might learn something

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