Lomax and Roby have both been great players but they are passed their best and have lost a yard of pace. Welsby should move to stand off with Dodd at scrum half. We missed knowles badly. Bachelor ans Walmsley both played well but none of the other forwards stood out.
This is no longer “the greatest game” and coaches need to take note. We need to excite people not bore them to death. Too many forwards rushing in to take a tackle. Half our pivots are too slow. Our discipline breaks down under pressure. Thaler got it right last night.
We need to rebuild and we need the coach to get a decent assistant who can coach attack. I would prefer to be mid table with a young team for a season or two than watch that drivel for another year
I think Warrington are the best team in the competition to be honest & I think they'll win it. I'm happy with the CC.
Cas came with a plan, stuck to it & deservedly won. Ollie Holmes worked his socks off.
Give Eden a bit of credit too. Came up with a big play when it counted. Well done to Cas.
I'm confident that will give us a jolt for next week. If Wigan's pack stand up to ours, it's well and truly game on but we should be stream rolling them. Should.
To be fair to Bentley a few of us have wanted a bit of mongrel in the team for years. Bentley’s a good player but he does tread a fine line and last night he crossed it. I’m not excusing Bentleys behaviour, but i think Thalers handling of the game played a big part in player frustration.
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Yes fair point. Thaler isn’t a good ref but Saints were indisciplined and didn’t give him much choice. He should have taken control much earlier in the game but Saints were dirty last night and Cas showed us how to score tries. We couldn’t score a wide to West try now to save our lives!
I don’t think Lomax is passed it. His game has gone downhill since Holbrook left. You could argue that none of our backs are as dangerous now as they were under Holbrook. I called it months ago but Lomax has run down more alleys, killed the ball movement and been tackled more times over the past 18 months than he has throughout his entire career. Woolf just doesn’t bring the best out of our backs and half back is the toughest position to play in a disjointed attacking team.
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I think you are probably right there. Woolf isn’t an attacking coach. I hope we get a decent attack coach to help him. Maybe then Lomax will look better. After the battering he has had in his career it’s bound to take its toll sometime. Running into gaps would help but that’s not what Woolf seems to want. Woolfe doesn’t coach forwards to offload and forwards running into a wall and then playing the ball doesn’t induce open play does it. Half backs are on the end of that
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Really enjoyed last night, reminded me of a couple of pub teams battling it out whilst struggling to keep hold of a ball. Not only up against their skill level but a ref who swallowed his whistle and some non existent self control.
The big bad wolf needs blow some houses down this morning
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Lomax 2 years ago. Plenty attacking options from back rowers who can actually run a line, dummy runners, putting players into holes, throwing dummies, stepping, scoring tries. From the moment Woolf took over his game went well downhill imo.
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We have said this for 18 months. His choice of when to run & when to pass has regressed under Woolf. The number of times he runs down blind alleys when there is an obvious pass is worrying.
Our constant habit of running our second rows back into the middle also kills any ball movement, mind you, Holbrook had Payroux doing that too.
The Wire tactic of feigning injury to stop momentum needs stamping out of RL . We are nearly at football level now for play acting & I stopped watching football when that became standard behaviour.
I suppose that Woolf will trot out the usual platitudes, I haven't heard his interview yet, not sure I will listen to it either.
Embarrassing some of your reactions - you wouldn’t think this about the third game we’ve lost in nearly 12 months. And do me a favour with the Bentley bashing. You were all calling him the new Bateman until he left, funny that.
Cas could have and probably should have lost the game to 12 men in the end of Coote takes the right option.
A really really poor quality game - I would agree that both sides were poor, we just edged the hopeless indiscipline competition.
Dreadful game, here’s hoping it serves as a needed wake up call.
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I know we are successful and winning cups but bottom line I just don't enjoy watching this saints team. I used to get excited during the working day if we had a Match at night. Now I don't really feel anything.
We must make fewer passes and clean breaks than any of the other top teams. These tactics work most times as our defense strangles the life out of teams. However when we have a bad day we sometimes look so laboured and predictable. I am not saying we need to be kamikaze but a bit more variety in our attack would not go amiss. One of the few times we shifted it wide early in the count in the first half batchelor broke them open up the right.
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10 errors
12 penalties
Lees, Amor and LMS took 15 carries combined
Walmsley took 16 on his own and I think nearly all of those were in his second stint
You don't win many games playing like that. Cas 15 errors and 10 penalties. Absolute amateur hour.
last night just reaffirmed my view that Woolf staying is bad news
Everything, this entire thread is an embarrassment. We won the challenge cup for the first time in 13 years a few weeks back. We have won back to back super leagues and are currently sitting second in super league this season. We have been beaten only three times all season in all competitions.
People on here after a substandard performance calling for Lee’s not good enough, Passi not good enough, Bentley even Jonny Lomax is now passed it… complete Knee Jerk reactions. If we put Wigan to the sword I’m expecting comments such as how we are a great side, Lomax best player in the league. Lees outstanding, Bentley back to his impressive self… or will we get a few telling us how Wigan’s team is depleted and how we are still awful?