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    Quote Originally Posted by Belgian Saint View Post
    I think with the change in players at the end of this season and probably playing a couple of juniors next year, I think we had to keep a coach that is familiar with those players.






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    Quote Originally Posted by FearTheVee View Post
    I didn’t fall asleep during the GF and CC or the subsequent celebrations.

    We don’t have x-factor players. People can moan all they like that we should be some magical entertainment machine but the same people moan about how limited our scrum half is, how Roby is less effective, how we’ve replaced line breakers with plodders in the back row etc.

    Get some line breakers and pace in the team and watch the side play off the back of it. Welsby at 1 will be a help. Dodd at 7 will be a help. We’ve seen how having Percy back has helped - dangerous players make for dangerous teams.

    I look at the players we have and am very happy that Woolf is doing a fine job both with the current team but also bringing players through.


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    That's exactly how I see it too. When we had a fit Walmsley, L Thompson and Taia (maybe Peyroux to a less extent) we were bending teams at will, creating loads of opportunities to be more expansive. We just don't have that capability at present and with our absolutely rock solid defensive structure and attitude we are playing the percentages. Why throw it around when you're only going to concede about 10 points on average?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FearTheVee View Post
    I didn’t fall asleep during the GF and CC or the subsequent celebrations.

    We don’t have x-factor players. People can moan all they like that we should be some magical entertainment machine but the same people moan about how limited our scrum half is, how Roby is less effective, how we’ve replaced line breakers with plodders in the back row etc.

    Get some line breakers and pace in the team and watch the side play off the back of it. Welsby at 1 will be a help. Dodd at 7 will be a help. We’ve seen how having Percy back has helped - dangerous players make for dangerous teams.

    I look at the players we have and am very happy that Woolf is doing a fine job both with the current team but also bringing players through.


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    Superb post. Woolf is merely playing to our strengths

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    Quote Originally Posted by FearTheVee View Post
    I didn’t fall asleep during the GF and CC or the subsequent celebrations.

    We don’t have x-factor players. People can moan all they like that we should be some magical entertainment machine but the same people moan about how limited our scrum half is, how Roby is less effective, how we’ve replaced line breakers with plodders in the back row etc.

    Get some line breakers and pace in the team and watch the side play off the back of it. Welsby at 1 will be a help. Dodd at 7 will be a help. We’ve seen how having Percy back has helped - dangerous players make for dangerous teams.

    I look at the players we have and am very happy that Woolf is doing a fine job both with the current team but also bringing players through.


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    Having Percival missing for most of last season and half of this season has been massive on our attacking structure. Already mentioned Grace had 4 or 5 different centres last year, luckily we had Welsby stepping up this season. You could also say its only the last 2 games that Coote has looked at his best.

    I don't see any team in Superleague team who are ripping it up with entertaining rugby and winning consistently on the back of it. Catalan, Hull and Warrington are obviously the teams to beat heading into the play offs. Our game against Catalan in a couple of weeks will be a good yardstick for us, just hope we have a near full strength team to see where we are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FearTheVee View Post
    I didn’t fall asleep during the GF and CC or the subsequent celebrations.

    We don’t have x-factor players. People can moan all they like that we should be some magical entertainment machine but the same people moan about how limited our scrum half is, how Roby is less effective, how we’ve replaced line breakers with plodders in the back row etc.

    Get some line breakers and pace in the team and watch the side play off the back of it. Welsby at 1 will be a help. Dodd at 7 will be a help. We’ve seen how having Percy back has helped - dangerous players make for dangerous teams.

    I look at the players we have and am very happy that Woolf is doing a fine job both with the current team but also bringing players through.


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    Quote Originally Posted by retro74 View Post
    That's exactly how I see it too. When we had a fit Walmsley, L Thompson and Taia (maybe Peyroux to a less extent) we were bending teams at will, creating loads of opportunities to be more expansive. We just don't have that capability at present and with our absolutely rock solid defensive structure and attitude we are playing the percentages. Why throw it around when you're only going to concede about 10 points on average?

    I think we do have x-factor players, especially in the backs, but I do accept there's less attacking threat in the forwards than there were.

    We don't make the most of the forwards, though, in terms of attacking. I've said that I've warmed to Woolf overall and think it's a good thing he's going to be here next season. But our forwards do play too much of a one-out game. Opposition defences (already going to be well-set due to the rules allowing the slow PT generally know which of our players are going to get the ball. We don't utilise dummy runners enough; we don't have forwards running in with others on their shoulder and sometimes tipping it on just before or at the point of contact; our forwards [are presumably instructed to] almost always run at the defenders and not at gaps, and rarely look to get their hands through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STIDDY View Post
    Having Percival missing for most of last season and half of this season has been massive on our attacking structure.
    More excuses. This would only be true if Percival was playing like a centre. Thanks to our coach he's playing like an auxiliary second row

    Woolfs tactics kill our outside backs, Makinson can hardly walk from the pitch sometimes he's that knackered. Our attack would improve if our backs were in a position to do their job and have some energy left to do it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Buddy View Post
    More excuses. This would only be true if Percival was playing like a centre. Thanks to our coach he's playing like an auxiliary second row

    Woolfs tactics kill our outside backs, Makinson can hardly walk from the pitch sometimes he's that knackered. Our attack would improve if our backs were in a position to do their job and have some energy left to do it.


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    You,ve missed my main point, Percival has only played 7 full games in 2 years. That is not an excuse that is a fact. I,m not too bothered if he is playing second row at the moment, he makes things happen and weve miseed that for the past 18 momths.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STIDDY View Post
    You,ve missed my main point, Percival has only played 7 full games in 2 years. That is not an excuse that is a fact. I,m not too bothered if he is playing second row at the moment, he makes things happen and weve miseed that for the past 18 momths.
    I haven't missed anything. You've posted dozens of excuses as to why we can't play attacking rugby anymore, the real reason is how our coach sets us up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buddy View Post
    I haven't missed anything. You've posted dozens of excuses as to why we can't play attacking rugby anymore, the real reason is how our coach sets us up.

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    I disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STIDDY View Post
    You,ve missed my main point, Percival has only played 7 full games in 2 years. That is not an excuse that is a fact. I,m not too bothered if he is playing second row at the moment, he makes things happen and weve miseed that for the past 18 momths.
    Despite limited game time he is also in top 10 for clean breaks across the league this season. Not bad for someone who doesn't see the ball. Fantastic player and makes such a difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buddy View Post
    This would only be true if Percival was playing like a centre. Thanks to our coach he's playing like an auxiliary second row
    I read this a lot and when I do, I wonder why people don’t mention that Percy has always returned the ball like a forward.


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    I have to say I find in strange the way Percival and Makinson in particular seem to be running into contact at every opportunity

    It does appear to be a game plan of ours, to bash the opposition into submission rather than to try and run around or outside them

    If Woolf is staying I hope we get a new attack coach in , long would be ideal imo

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    Quote Originally Posted by FearTheVee View Post
    I read this a lot and when I do, I wonder why people don’t mention that Percy has always returned the ball like a forward.


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    The simple answer is that isn't true. He was a very elusive runner when he came into the team, now he runs at players instead of into space

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    Quote Originally Posted by JB1973 View Post
    I have to say I find in strange the way Percival and Makinson in particular seem to be running into contact at every opportunity

    It does appear to be a game plan of ours, to bash the opposition into submission rather than to try and run around or outside them

    If Woolf is staying I hope we get a new attack coach in , long would be ideal imo
    Thats mainly because of the way Superleague is played in favour of defences over attacking partly down to Covid.

    If you remember pre covid we use to see Makinson, Grace and Percival crabbing across the defensive line looking for an opening or stretching the line for an opportunity or something on the next play.

    Because of Covid we got rid of scrums and now we have a very tight set defensive line. if this is done with good line speed then crabbing is very limited without losing metres so players go more direct these days. Its more or less the same for most teams, we do have a few teams in Hull KR and Warrington who stilll do it with the purpose of executing an offload but it creates errors.

    For me we should bring back scrums, Percival would be much more effective playing 1 on 1 with space.

    P.S. I think there is a podcast somewhere (early season) from Lomax who explained some of the above and he talks of playing whats in front of them instead of trying set plays, if I find it I will post the link on here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DD View Post
    I'm not sure on this being comfortable in big games bit, though. If you were sitting comfortably with five minutes to go in the Grand Final and this year's Cup Semi-Final and at half time at Wembley, then I need to be injected with some of your genes, pronto.
    I was pretty calm at the half time of the cup final. We seem to have a team that can do it in big games these days. Makinson, Grace, Welsby do seem to just pop up when we need them to in games. Welsby especially looks like a big match player for years to come.

    That being said I had been on the beers for the first time in months, so that could have been a reason why I was so relaxed.
    I could agree with you but then we would both be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FearTheVee View Post
    I read this a lot and when I do, I wonder why people don’t mention that Percy has always returned the ball like a forward.


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    I think people often forget that our best performance for maybe 10 years or so, and our best performance under JH (Wigan at home) involved lots of backs absolutely carting it in as forwards and punching holes in their defence without us going out wide majorly at any stage until the game was won.

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    Percival and Makinson have carried that way since they came into the team, its got nothing to do with Woolf. Every team at every level up and down the country worth its salt uses the three quarters to carry early on exits, it conserves energy for the forwards not having to bust back to the 20 to carry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BackrowSaint View Post
    Percival and Makinson have carried that way since they came into the team, its got nothing to do with Woolf. Every team at every level up and down the country worth its salt uses the three quarters to carry early on exits, it conserves energy for the forwards not having to bust back to the 20 to carry.
    I remember being at a forum in 2019 and Lomax saying it’s on the outside backs to get a quick PTB tackles 0/1/2, then forwards come in and make space out wide before we go out wide at the end of the set. Backs setting this all in motion isn’t new, people just don’t like this coach as what is happening at the end of sets isn’t what it could be at the min.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starman View Post
    I remember being at a forum in 2019 and Lomax saying it’s on the outside backs to get a quick PTB tackles 0/1/2, then forwards come in and make space out wide before we go out wide at the end of the set. Backs setting this all in motion isn’t new, people just don’t like this coach as what is happening at the end of sets isn’t what it could be at the min.
    I think it was explained by Wellens about keeping energy levels up for the forwards so they can do this attacking defence to maintain pressure. When the opposition finish their set and kick deep, they dont want our forwards running back 30 to 40 metres to take on the 1st or 2nd carry and use more energy to make a 10 hard metres return.

    Woolf likes to play with pressure, if we get a quick PTB and momentum it gives us a bit more time and space for our backs later in our set, when we finish our set our energy levels are still good so we can keep applying pressure with a repetitive attacking defence. We did a similar thing with Holbrook but we do it much better under Woolf similar to when Anderson tightened up our defence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by STIDDY View Post
    I think it was explained by Wellens about keeping energy levels up for the forwards so they can do this attacking defence to maintain pressure. When the opposition finish their set and kick deep, they dont want our forwards running back 30 to 40 metres to take on the 1st or 2nd carry and use more energy to make a 10 hard metres return.

    Woolf likes to play with pressure, if we get a quick PTB and momentum it gives us a bit more time and space for our backs later in our set, when we finish our set our energy levels are still good so we can keep applying pressure with a repetitive attacking defence. We did a similar thing with Holbrook but we do it much better under Woolf similar to when Anderson tightened up our defence.
    I understand the logic of backs retreating more quickly and forwards taking their time but it’s also about how they run. Grace seems to look for gaps but, admittedly, doesn’t often find one but Tommy and Percy run at the opposition in such a way that I worry about the possibility of their being injured.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suttoner View Post
    I understand the logic of backs retreating more quickly and forwards taking their time but it’s also about how they run. Grace seems to look for gaps but, admittedly, doesn’t often find one but Tommy and Percy run at the opposition in such a way that I worry about the possibility of their being injured.
    Its professional Rugby League, if you can't take collision you wouldn't be on the pitch. It's not U13s where the wingers are at risk of being clattered by the big lads. Its actually more dangerous to half heartedly hit the line than wind up and go full pace.

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    Lose the agenda Tommy was like that under Holdbrook as was Percival. We was quite similiar to Woolfs style the year we won Salford especially the back end when Fages was our number 7. The year before we was entertaining but had Richardson and Barba and both couldent tackle a slug and we won Nowt!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BackrowSaint View Post
    Percival and Makinson have carried that way since they came into the team, its got nothing to do with Woolf. Every team at every level up and down the country worth its salt uses the three quarters to carry early on exits, it conserves energy for the forwards not having to bust back to the 20 to carry.
    Yes all team use 1 or 2 drives from backs, we however continually use 3 or 4. It is everything to do with Woolf.
    I'm not buying the excuses, he sets us up to grind and it's awful to watch.
    Sport and in particular Saints to me is about more than just a result, it's more than about trophies or glory.
    We have had teams that prove you can be incredibly successful by playing rugby, if you cant understand that sentiment its fine, but it doesn't make the point of view (or agenda bollocks) wrong.
    The 95-96 made almost every tackle an attacking play, the team of the early 2000's did the same, Saints these days are shackled by Woolfs tactics and very rarely play what's in front of them. It's all controlled and poor set piece stuff.

    Do I want to see Saints win? Of course! But in this league we don't need to play this rubbish rugby. As I said earlier this is the poorest competition since Super league started, we don't need to play conservative rugby and hope not to lose.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Buddy View Post
    Yes all team use 1 or 2 drives from backs, we however continually use 3 or 4. It is everything to do with Woolf.


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    You're seeing what you want to see.

    Alex Walsmley is our top carrier, despite apparently the backs taking all the ball. Not one of our outside backs is in the top 20 for carries, despite a plethora of other teams having them in.

    There's very little difference, if any, to our exit sets under Holbrook and Woolf. It's clear to see if you watch games back without preconceptions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buddy View Post
    Yes all team use 1 or 2 drives from backs, we however continually use 3 or 4. It is everything to do with Woolf.


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    Its most likely the other way around most teams use 3 or 4 drives from the backs, Saints use a lot less according to the league stats.

    Davies, Yaha, Sio, Olpherts, McGillvary, Williams, have made over 200 carries this season, Bibby, Lyne, Hall, Briscoe, Charnley 180 carries some of those won't be drives. Makinson 110 carries and Grace 121 carries most are drives but its still significantly less.

    I think you just don't like Woolf perhaps, when a lot of the problem is that Superleague is krap defensive these days.

    As "Backrow Saint" has mentioned there is not much difference in the drive numeric under Holbrook and Woolf the problem for Woolf is that his wingers are driving up against a set line defence, under Holbrook our wingers didn't have a set line defence to run at so were more effective.
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