Discuss????? We’re losing players left right and centre due to SC restrictions and there throwing money around at anyone who’s available
Discuss????? We’re losing players left right and centre due to SC restrictions and there throwing money around at anyone who’s available
Don't worry they'll still have room under their cap for Robert Hicks
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I know we all joke about Wire but they have used pretty much all the available salary cap exemptions at one time or another. They use their marquee spots, they’ve taken advantage of dispensations for new and returning talent from rugby union like Burrell & Charnley and next year they’ll save £50,000 off the combined salaries of Ratchford & Hill due to them being in their 11th consecutive season with the same club. There’s also up to £100,000 available for homegrown players that they can use on the likes of King, Cooper, Currie & Philbin.
They make a lot of big signings but it’s also a bit of a revolving door as well. When you add up the salaries of Inglis, Widdop, Austin and Clark they could all be on their way out and that’s a lot of money to play with.
Forwards win games. The backs decide by how much.
We have Grace from Rugby Union, Percival, Makinson, Lomax, Roby (if he doesn't retire), Welsby, Lees came through system. Allegedly Fages, Coote, Naquama, Bentley leaving, not counting any who may be retiring. So we should have a decent amount of money available as well.
Loyal and true, not a glory hunter.
I think we need to focus on ourselves and stop worrying about them.
They have a very wealthy owner so money not really an object. They haven't been done for any salary cap infringements. We have although a long time ago. They will win super league sooner rather than later. I suspect this season. They're a good team who have us sussed.
Post 2021, we will struggle for a while. Need to rebuild and bring the average age of the squad down. Too many over 30s in the side. The way this sport is being played getting bashed for 80 minutes, most will peak mid 20s.
We need some real aggression at prop, and 2 big back rowers who can play rugby. Why Norman isn't playing is beyond me. Get him in the team. We need a 9 as well. And we should be looking at Parcell
Is it only 75k of homegrown players salary that goes on the cap aswel?
I agree with most of that but not too sure about the wealthy owner bit. I thought the purpose of the salary cap was to stop wealthy owners throwing money at a club.
I don't know the rules but I've always assumed basis of the cap was that the spending on the team had to be in relation to the clubs income.
I sure there are ways a wealthy owner could subsidise some of the clubs overheads but I don't think he can just throw money at the team
Thanks, i often wondered how much help it was to have club trained players in your squad.
So for instance it would make buisness sense for say lomax an Makinson or high earning club trained players to be our marquee
Only 150k on the cap?
Yeah, I’ve no problem with Warrington’s approach to managing their salary cap. They use the rules well in terms of rugby union players, marquees etc. It’s Wigan’s creative accountancy every few years that gets my back up. How they’ve never been hit hard is beyond me.
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They are losing a lot of players at the end of this season so they have cap space. It’s strictly policed these days so just need to trust the process.
Warrington lost £750K last year (2020) and are expected to lose a similar or even larger amount in 2021. However Moran and his other directors are prepared to cover that loss. You would think that Morans businesses would have been hit really hard during the pandemic with no big concerts going on.
Warrington have been probably been the only club along with Leeds who have been running at a profit over the last eight years.
It'll be interesting to see how other clubs have performed financially over the "covid period"
The same accusations were once hurled at Saints.
I think it's entirely feasible that both Austin and Widdop will be leaving at the end of the year, so it's a non-discussion.
The concerning thing is that they move for the big name players and we don't. It's been fifteen years now since we ever competed for top drawer players in the market.
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Lets not be naïve, Saints are not doing it for a "new shagpile" if that doesn't offend Rogues, we are getting a slice from that. The reality is Warrington is a rich town and a big town, BUT it is not a rugby town. Hence they produce little or nothing of their own. Hence the culture has never been quite right. One off competitions like the CC you can get by, but to be Champions is different gravy. Leeds always had the cash, Hunslet the players. Leeds first ever Championship? 1961.
I'm not sure it's spectacularly different once you've got to the knock-out stages, and they frequently do. Being Champions lost that kudos when we reverted to the old-RL style formula of allowing teams from half way down the league to take part in an end of season knock-out competition to win the Final.
If we go back to that wait for Leeds, was anybody that bothered? The Championship was very much second fiddle to the Challenge Cup and it wasn't unheard of for teams to rest players for Championship Semi-Finals ahead of/a week after Wembley. There was more than the odd occasion when players were on a ship to Australia for the Ashes when the Championship Play-Offs were being played.
There was a much bigger millstone around Saints neck not having won the Cup until 1956 than there was around Leeds' for not winning the Championship. Even when I started watching the game, winning the Challenge Cup took precedence. Widnes could have won a number of League Championships in the late 70s and early 80s had they not got to Wembley and rested players continually. Getting to Wembley frequently cost teams the Championship because Wembley was prioritised.
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The concerning thing is that they move for the big name players and we don't. It's been fifteen years now since we ever competed for top drawer players in the market.[/QUOTE]
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Ben barber - nrl player of the year
Lachlan coote - nrl grand final winner regarded as top draw in the nrl
Kevin naiqama - fiji captain at the time, west tiger main attacking player in the backline
Joel thompson - whole of nrl was shocked he came to england even rejected other nrl contracts
Sione matautia - mainsted in the newcastle team one of their longest serving players. Rejected gold costs to come here
Yes we have also had the like of luke douglas and ryan morgan etc but some of our recent signings have also been top class signings that could have easily stayed in the nrl.
Wire signing widdop and tyrone rkberts was laughable. Both couldnt get gigs in the nrl and wire still paid over the odds wages to sign them. Widdop was busted when they signed him and took them 1 year to get anything from him.
Austin again rookie in the nrl no one wanted him to be a starter, wire took a chance and to some extent it worked off so fair play
Inglis - lol what a waste of money. Probs safe to say the most highest paid player in SL right now and of reputation rightly so. But .... the guy was retired for 2 years due to injury. It was clearly never going to work. Looking back i bet they are kicking themselves for spending the money and not investing in youth or other options