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    Quote Originally Posted by MickeyJoe147 View Post
    If I were Saints I would be going all out for Olam. Definitely a marqee signing. Of course I don't know Saints' financial situation but we should at least be trying. Welsby should be another player taking a marqee spot IMO.
    We did try. But heís 100% not coming to St Helens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MickeyJoe147 View Post
    If I were Saints I would be going all out for Olam. Definitely a marqee signing. Of course I don't know Saints' financial situation but we should at least be trying. Welsby should be another player taking a marqee spot IMO.
    If there is any truth in this, I suspect going for King over Olam will be more about non-fed spot management than money

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saddened! View Post
    King is one of Warrington's marquee players, so if they managed to get rid of him, they'd have plenty of space for Olam, especially as Burgess is trying to do business with several players at the moment. It seems they're repeating the work they did last season in trying to move a load of players on.
    No they wouldn't. King costs £50K on Wire's cap so even if they then made Olam a marquee player it doubles their player cap spend from £50K to £100K for that 1 player.
    If they manage to also offload Kasiano then it still leaves them a prop short which they'll have to replace.

    Warrington wouldn't be that stupid to go into a season with 6 centers and only 5 props (Vaughn, Harrison, Philbin, Dudson & Musgrove)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint Toppy View Post
    No they wouldn't. King costs £50K on Wire's cap so even if they then made Olam a marquee player it doubles their player cap spend from £50K to £100K for that 1 player.
    If they manage to also offload Kasiano then it still leaves them a prop short which they'll have to replace.

    Warrington wouldn't be that stupid to go into a season with 6 centers and only 5 props (Vaughn, Harrison, Philbin, Dudson & Musgrove)
    Club trained marquee 50k
    Fed trained marquee 100k
    Non fed marquee 150k

    So if you assume that both Olam and King would be a marquee, there’s 100k cap difference between them. You would also expect Powell to be more expensive than Dwyer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint Toppy View Post
    No they wouldn't. King costs £50K on Wire's cap so even if they then made Olam a marquee player it doubles their player cap spend from £50K to £100K for that 1 player.
    If they manage to also offload Kasiano then it still leaves them a prop short which they'll have to replace.

    Warrington wouldn't be that stupid to go into a season with 6 centers and only 5 props (Vaughn, Harrison, Philbin, Dudson & Musgrove)

    No, It triples it..
    Whereas previously all Marquee Players were counted as £150,000 on a club’s salary cap, with the exception of Club-Trained players who counted as £75,000, now Club-Trained Marquee Players will count as £50,000; Federation-Trained Marquee Players will count as £100,000; and Non-Federation Trained Marquee Players will remain valued at £150,000 in salary cap calculations.

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    Richie Myler gone to York, random

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    John Davidson posted about the King and Powell speculation, Saints and Wire not commented on it. That suggests to me this could be happening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blobbynator View Post
    John Davidson posted about the King and Powell speculation, Saints and Wire not commented on it. That suggests to me this could be happening.
    Just came on here to type pretty much what you have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blobbynator View Post
    John Davidson posted about the King and Powell speculation, Saints and Wire not commented on it. That suggests to me this could be happening.
    No mention of Kasiano which is a positive

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    If we sign King, it would be seriously underwhelming and a sign we have no intention of trying to tackle the lack-of-pace problem. He's just a carthorse, a slight improvement on Ben Davies at centre. A totally unimaginative signing. I think I'd rather have Harry friggin Newman, and I think he's seriously overrated, too.
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    I don't see anything coming from this King speculation to be honest. He's on a really big deal with two years left and Warrington should look to get rid of others first given the cap relief he provides them. He's been impressive at Wigan too and could/should help to drive standards with his successful experiences away from the club.

    From our perspective, bringing him on his current deal would leave us with a quota space and no cap which isn't optimal. We would have to juggle things around to balance the squad out a bit and he can't cover wing which we should be looking for in any recruit.

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    As for Kasiano, he has already been discussed in depth in recent months. He is so far away from what we are looking for from our other props and he looked really poor last year, if that was down to age or attitude it doesn't bode well for his future.

    Taking them both solves a few problems for Warrington but doesn't do much for us on the face of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Private Pyle View Post
    Richie Myler gone to York, random
    That's a 90% decrease in play acting across the league next season. A massive loss to top flight rugby league.

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    Yeah that Myler story surprised me. I can't stand him, in fact he is probably my least favourite player.. but I thought it was highly regarded at Leeds
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    Quote Originally Posted by CGSaint View Post
    Yeah that Myler story surprised me. I can't stand him, in fact he is probably my least favourite player.. but I thought it was highly regarded at Leeds
    He's a little turd. Not really surprised he's dropped down though, decent signing for anyone in the championship. I guess York is a pretty nice place to live too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Nazareth View Post
    If we sign King, it would be seriously underwhelming and a sign we have no intention of trying to tackle the lack-of-pace problem. He's just a carthorse, a slight improvement on Ben Davies at centre. A totally unimaginative signing. I think I'd rather have Harry friggin Newman, and I think he's seriously overrated, too.
    I agree, I wouldnít want either of them

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    Quote Originally Posted by CGSaint View Post
    Yeah that Myler story surprised me. I can't stand him, in fact he is probably my least favourite player.. but I thought it was highly regarded at Leeds
    They’ve signed a new 1,6,7 and 9 so it’s hard to see where he fits in to that side now. Presumably he’s left for regular 1st team rugby in his final year or 2. He’s 33 now.
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    So we don’t want to stick with Hurrell because he ended the year with question marks over his fitness/ disciplinary
    We don’t want to rely on Davies because … well Davies (which is fair)
    We don’t want King because he doesn’t play an exciting brand of rugby and he’s done well for Wigan
    We don’t want Olam because he fell out with Bellamy and if he was any good/ not over the hill would stay in the NRL
    We don’t want Blake because he’s a confidence player and he hasn’t had any confidence in 3 years
    We didn’t want Keighran because he was overrated and gonna get found out
    We don’t want Brenko Lee because he’s a donkey and everything wrong with SL clubs recruiting from the NRL.

    Have I missed anyone we have been linked to? We seem to universally no agree on a centre who would improve us, yet not want to stick with what we have.

    If we sign King, and if we still use our non fed spot on top surely that would drastically improve us as a team? King had a good year for Wigan, I’m not sure why some are so deadset against it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by magic superbeetle View Post
    So we don’t want to stick with Hurrell because he ended the year with question marks over his fitness/ disciplinary
    We don’t want to rely on Davies because … well Davies (which is fair)
    We don’t want King because he doesn’t play an exciting brand of rugby and he’s done well for Wigan
    We don’t want Olam because he fell out with Bellamy and if he was any good/ not over the hill would stay in the NRL
    We don’t want Blake because he’s a confidence player and he hasn’t had any confidence in 3 years
    We didn’t want Keighran because he was overrated and gonna get found out
    We don’t want Brenko Lee because he’s a donkey and everything wrong with SL clubs recruiting from the NRL.

    Have I missed anyone we have been linked to? We seem to universally no agree on a centre who would improve us, yet not want to stick with what we have.

    If we sign King, and if we still use our non fed spot on top surely that would drastically improve us as a team? King had a good year for Wigan, I’m not sure why some are so deadset against it.
    I have to agree. Wouldn’t be against the King signing at all. He would be a solid option who we could rely on, whilst giving Hurrell a massive kick up the backside to get himself fit and firing.

    He’s not amazing but he’s coming off the back of a good year with Wigan and would arrive full of confidence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by magic superbeetle View Post
    So we don’t want to stick with Hurrell because he ended the year with question marks over his fitness/ disciplinary
    We don’t want to rely on Davies because … well Davies (which is fair)
    We don’t want King because he doesn’t play an exciting brand of rugby and he’s done well for Wigan
    We don’t want Olam because he fell out with Bellamy and if he was any good/ not over the hill would stay in the NRL
    We don’t want Blake because he’s a confidence player and he hasn’t had any confidence in 3 years
    We didn’t want Keighran because he was overrated and gonna get found out
    We don’t want Brenko Lee because he’s a donkey and everything wrong with SL clubs recruiting from the NRL.

    Have I missed anyone we have been linked to? We seem to universally no agree on a centre who would improve us, yet not want to stick with what we have.

    If we sign King, and if we still use our non fed spot on top surely that would drastically improve us as a team? King had a good year for Wigan, I’m not sure why some are so deadset against it.
    Correct X 7 it seems.

    As I've said before, I wouldn't be against King, look at Hurrell's first season.

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    Who makes this stuff up ..... King would be excellent for us, 100% games played, str8 in 17, about 2 years too late but......

    Csnt see it happening, we have Hurrel, Percy, Davies and Whitley. Recruitment done with reserves step ups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Yellow Giraffe View Post
    I have to agree. Wouldn’t be against the King signing at all. He would be a solid option who we could rely on, whilst giving Hurrell a massive kick up the backside to get himself fit and firing.

    He’s not amazing but he’s coming off the back of a good year with Wigan and would arrive full of confidence.
    The problem is the sport as a whole is struggling for amazing centres. By my count he’s the 5th best British centre behind Farnworth (no chance … ever), Percival (already at Saints), Wardle (barely any chance) and Newman (possible in future but likely NRL bound).

    People will point to players like Olam, but true centres seem to be dying out in the NRL too, with most now being placeholders for those who want a crack at fullback. Like hooker it is just not very in vogue for the kids at the moment so not many Jamie Lyon’s knocking about for anyone in either hemisphere. Even then, we have seen centres from the NRL come over with far bigger reps and be a let down as well (SKD took years to be okay, Hurrells hit and cold is well discussed).

    Obviously, king seems to be part of a 2 part recruitment for us to use the non fed spot for something else. If we have the cap space for that it could be a smart move. Of course if it’s to use the non fed spot for Kasiano that raises the eyebrows, but a specialist winger would be very positive indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by magic superbeetle View Post
    So we donít want to stick with Hurrell because he ended the year with question marks over his fitness/ disciplinary
    We donít want to rely on Davies because Ö well Davies (which is fair)
    We donít want King because he doesnít play an exciting brand of rugby and heís done well for Wigan
    We donít want Olam because he fell out with Bellamy and if he was any good/ not over the hill would stay in the NRL
    We donít want Blake because heís a confidence player and he hasnít had any confidence in 3 years
    We didnít want Keighran because he was overrated and gonna get found out
    We donít want Brenko Lee because heís a donkey and everything wrong with SL clubs recruiting from the NRL.

    Have I missed anyone we have been linked to? We seem to universally no agree on a centre who would improve us, yet not want to stick with what we have.

    If we sign King, and if we still use our non fed spot on top surely that would drastically improve us as a team? King had a good year for Wigan, Iím not sure why some are so deadset against it.
    When you put it that way itís hard to disagree!

    How about giving Vaughn and/or Sambou a go? We would have to anyway if we get injuries. Iím sure they arenít ready but they never will be unless they put boots on the grass and thatís why Wellens has brought them into first team as cover for Hurrell, Percival, Whitley and (gulp) Davies. Actually Davies is no super star but heís not terrible as a back to the back ups

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albion View Post
    I know there is probably zero to this rumour, but I am not massively keen on King.

    When we were linked with him before he signed his extension at the Wolfs he was playing really well and was such a handful. However, since then I just do not see the same player. He had problem with Powell which has not helped, but I do not think he was much better at Wigan. His main strengths were catching short kicks to the corner, but Wigan did not seem to play to those strengths and he turned into an extra forward. He was overshadowed completely by Wardle on the other side.

    With kasiano, I am not sure he fits with our profile of player. Used in the right way he could be a useful impact player, but I am not sure he would be worth the money for that type of role. I feel Warrington did not use him well last year. I seen him start games when you lose what he brings by doing that.
    This is my view on the two of them.

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    Kasiano on a one year deal would be a risk but potentially gives us a bit of extra size off the bench. For the right money I think it's a risk worth taking.

    King is highly rated by the club, we made a big play to sign him before he signed the new marquee deal at Warrington.

    Strange one which I can't see happening but would be an excellent addition for me.

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