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    Quote Originally Posted by magic superbeetle View Post
    I suspect that means Bentley and/or Grace agreed to a smaller deal than Saints were expecting, if we were considering not offering a deal with cap concerns, but now we’re in a position to make an offer.

    Still no words seemingly on Naiqama or Coote, are we looking at replacements? I heard we were in for Tony King, but not sure how much that was Warrington fans winding me up!

    Going to be a really competitive year for recruitment, Wigan have both their marquees gone, Warrington have 14 out of contract I believe and Leeds have quite a few as well
    I suspect we’ll see exactly how hard Covid has hit the pockets of clubs. Spending the full cap plus marquee spots just might not be a viable option for a lot at the moment.
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    Theo is a keeper for me, I have always thought he would replace Roby. Ive nowt against Smith but I would prefer to see Theo and the young lad on loan at Leigh sharing the duties when Roby finally succumbs to age. Until then status quo will suit me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reliable sauce View Post
    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co...elens-20436235

    Sounds like Theo wants to stay and talks have begun. Guess it’s just a matter of whether he’s satisfied with what Saints offer.
    Matt Shaw interviewed his agent at the Cats game. I saw it online. Sounds like it is not as cut and dried as first thought.

    Woolfe does seem to prefer a jahrome hughes type nuggety player at 7.

    The thing I picked up on recently is the subtle change in narrative from Woolfe, with regard to Lewis Dodd and Fullback.

    Perhaps that's the plan with 4 players (Lomax ,Fages, Welsby, Dodd) covering the three spine positions 1,6,7.
    The fact that Fages can play 9 and Welsby Centre being a bonus.

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    Saints need to keep Fages.

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    Looks like some good old fashioned Agent talk. I think from reading that Fages is happy and settled, and will probably sign a new deal, but may wait a few weeks to see what other deals are on the table

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulscnthorpe View Post
    Looks like some good old fashioned Agent talk. I think from reading that Fages is happy and settled, and will probably sign a new deal, but may wait a few weeks to see what other deals are on the table
    Exactly what you'd want from any agent worth his salt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notawiginfan View Post
    Theo is a keeper for me, I have always thought he would replace Roby. Ive nowt against Smith but I would prefer to see Theo and the young lad on loan at Leigh sharing the duties when Roby finally succumbs to age. Until then status quo will suit me.
    Im not too sold on Smith either. If Fages can get some game time at 9 and prove he can play the position i have no problem keeping him on. As long as we can fit him within the cap. I like Fages. He’s a competitor. He has good and bad games but the effort is always there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fishy3005 View Post
    Im not too sold on Smith either. If Fages can get some game time at 9 and prove he can play the position i have no problem keeping him on. As long as we can fit him within the cap. I like Fages. He’s a competitor. He has good and bad games but the effort is always there.
    I'm with you on both. Fages is a tough nut; whilst I don't think he is an elite 7 and I have doubts over his ability to deliver anything that's over say 7/10 in the big matches enough he is impossible not to like. He is probably the best defensive SH I've seen at Saints, is a trier and as I said a hard lad.

    Smith just doesn't seem to have enough unique selling points to his game. He isn't a bad player by any means, but I'm not sure you could offer much evidence to what he really brings to the table that justifies his place in the long term in a side that wants to compete for trophies on a regular basis.

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    There you go all you need to know about player contracts. Good luck, as clear as mud.

    https://www.rugby-league.com/flipboo...dex.html#p=108

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    On the upside Fages is a good defender , has decent basic skills always gives his best , is rarely injured he seems a good professional


    On the downside he is not a great kicker,passer, not a line breaker, not especially elusive or fast and his last play options are very hit and miss

    He is not an elite class 7 and he will not be an elite class 9 either

    If we have enough quality to carry a 6 out of 10 player in big games then stick with him personally I think we can do better but I am not strongly opposed to keeping or losing him

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    Fages lacks a lot of the skills you associate with a proper 7, but what he does really well - possibly better than any other 7 in the league - is take the ball directly to the line. It doesn't attract any attention because it's not exciting to look at, but his willingness to take a hit helps to hold up defensive lines and make space for the players outside him. When you have a 7 like Fages you do need other players to 'carry' him a bit when it comes to creativity and game management, though. As Lomax isn't really an out-and-out half either, that means a lot of pressure on Coote to do a job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JB1973 View Post
    On the upside Fages is a good defender , has decent basic skills always gives his best , is rarely injured he seems a good professional


    On the downside he is not a great kicker,passer, not a line breaker, not especially elusive or fast and his last play options are very hit and miss

    He is not an elite class 7 and he will not be an elite class 9 either

    If we have enough quality to carry a 6 out of 10 player in big games then stick with him personally I think we can do better but I am not strongly opposed to keeping or losing him
    On the kicking point only, I would say his kicking has improved this year. I think he probably not only works hard in games but in training as well. I’ll be happy if he stays provided that he is OK about Dodd being eased in to allow him to develop as well.

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    If Gaskell plays full back tonight Fages and Coote need to be peppering him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suttoner View Post
    On the kicking point only, I would say his kicking has improved this year. I think he probably not only works hard in games but in training as well. I’ll be happy if he stays provided that he is OK about Dodd being eased in to allow him to develop as well.
    I think I've mentioned before but SH is one of those positions that really needs 2 specialist players. Obviously others can fill in but if one was injured long term we'd be in trouble with only one.

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    We need to be keeping Theo, at least for a year or two. Dodd is meant to be good, but he's done nothing so far to suggest he's going to lock down the 7 shirt or even fullback as someone mentioned (Woolf?).

    Having one extra player to cover 6,7 and 9 is hardly a bad thing.

    A more interesting one for me is what is happening with Coote? Is he staying or going?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saddened! View Post
    We need to be keeping Theo, at least for a year or two. Dodd is meant to be good, but he's done nothing so far to suggest he's going to lock down the 7 shirt or even fullback as someone mentioned (Woolf?).

    Having one extra player to cover 6,7 and 9 is hardly a bad thing.

    A more interesting one for me is what is happening with Coote? Is he staying or going?
    Plenty of quality full backs in the NRL atm. Cootes might struggle to get a gig back home. Seems happy enough here & another 12/24 months looks like a good fit for all parties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tilly2006 View Post
    Plenty of quality full backs in the NRL atm. Cootes might struggle to get a gig back home. Seems happy enough here & another 12/24 months looks like a good fit for all parties.
    Instrumental in what has been done in the past two years. Very Good player.

    However he legs have gone and doesn't have the pace needed for FB
    especially if Lomax is staying for a few years.

    You need zip at FB these days as well as being a ball player.

    Reminds me of Brett Hodgson. Very fondly remembered for his time in SL.
    However in his last year you could see the pace had gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerry Mander View Post
    Instrumental in what has been done in the past two years. Very Good player.

    However he legs have gone and doesn't have the pace needed for FB
    especially if Lomax is staying for a few years.

    You need zip at FB these days as well as being a ball player.

    Reminds me of Brett Hodgson. Very fondly remembered for his time in SL.
    However in his last year you could see the pace had gone.
    Coote has never been blessed with pace similar to Wellens, he doesn’t need it he’s that good.

    Most modern day fullbacks rely on pace however what Coote has given us the past couple of years is more than what a French/Evalds could have IMHO. His technical ability is class.

    To say his legs have gone when he’s evidently not fully fit yet is a bit far.

    I’m expecting another big big season from him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerry Mander View Post
    Instrumental in what has been done in the past two years. Very Good player.

    However he legs have gone and doesn't have the pace needed for FB
    especially if Lomax is staying for a few years.

    You need zip at FB these days as well as being a ball player.

    Reminds me of Brett Hodgson. Very fondly remembered for his time in SL.
    However in his last year you could see the pace had gone.
    When do you have this down as happening? Can’t say I’ve noticed much change in him myself, other than the fact that he’s looked rusty in the two games he’s played this season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by magic superbeetle View Post
    What a dream scenario that would be.

    Would the salaries of Fages and say Naiqama get close to landing Johnson though?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Yellow Giraffe View Post
    What a dream scenario that would be.

    Would the salaries of Fages and say Naiqama get close to landing Johnson though?
    Cronulla reportedly offered him a one year $400k deal (£222k) but Johnson turned it down looking for double the salary and double the length of contract. If he can’t get an NRL contract then it’s feasible to believe that a move to Super League could see him accept a wage around £300k a year. I’m not sure whether we’d spend that on a marquee player or who else in super league could afford that in the current financial climate but it would probably make Warrington favourites. Could depend on where Adam Reynolds ends up. Seems to be a bidding war between Brisbane and Cronulla for his services with the possibility that Johnson ends up at the one that Reynolds doesn’t.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Yellow Giraffe View Post
    What a dream scenario that would be.

    Would the salaries of Fages and say Naiqama get close to landing Johnson though?
    It would be better Woolf and Naiqama's wages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Yellow Giraffe View Post
    What a dream scenario that would be.

    Would the salaries of Fages and say Naiqama get close to landing Johnson though?
    Sounds like agent talk to me. Looking to get a better deal there by offering him here

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Wee Waa Womble View Post
    Cronulla reportedly offered him a one year $400k deal (£222k) but Johnson turned it down looking for double the salary and double the length of contract. If he can’t get an NRL contract then it’s feasible to believe that a move to Super League could see him accept a wage around £300k a year. I’m not sure whether we’d spend that on a marquee player or who else in super league could afford that in the current financial climate but it would probably make Warrington favourites. Could depend on where Adam Reynolds ends up. Seems to be a bidding war between Brisbane and Cronulla for his services with the possibility that Johnson ends up at the one that Reynolds doesn’t.
    If Coote moves on, there are conflicting reports on him being a marquee - him and Fages would (on paper) be enough to cover it, though not sure the club would want to commit to another marquee in the current climate? Welbsy is heir apparent so could see us

    Welbsy
    TMak Naiqama* Percival Grace
    Lomax Johnson

    *replace Naiqama with a new centre if we choose to replace him. I have seen T King and P Mata’utia mentioned but don’t know if that’s other club fans being paranoid.

    It also creates the pathway for Dodd to take over as Johnson is 30 now

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