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    Quote Originally Posted by eddiewaringsflatcap View Post
    Not sure Gray - Myler is one of the most overated players I've seen, Eastmond did little in his last year at Saints and has a questionable injury record and Gale is cracking on and recovering from a bad injury. It has a bit of a Hull FC feel to it except they are all UK players.
    Gale is the best of the 3 by a distance in my book.
    I agree on Myler. We know his wifes auntie and she talks to me alot about Myler, and I've always said that he is not suited to half back and has never really been top level. At 1 he did very well, a new lease of life maybe, and I expect him to continue that way away from the engine room so to speak. As I said, it looks good on paper. Eastmond may be a complete bust, back for a good wedge and low on motivation, but the lad had talent and if his head is right he will be an asset. Gale is solid and in the modern game is more than good enough to lead a team around, and he has a decent kicking game. We're not comparing them with Wello, Martyn and Long, or Hampson, Edwards and Gregory though, just the mediocre bunch across the league right now. I'll predict Leeds finish top 3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gray77 View Post
    I agree on Myler. We know his wifes auntie and she talks to me alot about Myler, and I've always said that he is not suited to half back and has never really been top level. At 1 he did very well, a new lease of life maybe, and I expect him to continue that way away from the engine room so to speak. As I said, it looks good on paper. Eastmond may be a complete bust, back for a good wedge and low on motivation, but the lad had talent and if his head is right he will be an asset. Gale is solid and in the modern game is more than good enough to lead a team around, and he has a decent kicking game. We're not comparing them with Wello, Martyn and Long, or Hampson, Edwards and Gregory though, just the mediocre bunch across the league right now. I'll predict Leeds finish top 3.
    Top three is an interesting one because at first I thought it was a lofty call but who is there? I think Wigan are a lock in the top 3 as we should be. The only risk for us is that the new recruits flop but its unlikely and we have Lees bigger and better prepped this year too. That leaves Warrington, Leeds, Cas and arguably Huddersfield (though personally I'm not bought on the latter).

    Warrington are anyones guess given the Price situation, I can't see Cas being anywhere near consistent enough and as I say Huddersfield feel a long-term project. You could well be right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eddiewaringsflatcap View Post
    Top three is an interesting one because at first I thought it was a lofty call but who is there? I think Wigan are a lock in the top 3 as we should be. The only risk for us is that the new recruits flop but its unlikely and we have Lees bigger and better prepped this year too. That leaves Warrington, Leeds, Cas and arguably Huddersfield (though personally I'm not bought on the latter).

    Warrington are anyones guess given the Price situation, I can't see Cas being anywhere near consistent enough and as I say Huddersfield feel a long project. You could well be right.
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    End of the day, the format doesn't give massive advantages to finishing top, but a week off and a home semi against one of 4,5 and 6 is the best route. Finishing 3rd is also a reward really as the team that sneaks 6th will be bang average, so beat them at home and you're 80 minutes away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eddiewaringsflatcap View Post
    In which case your memory is failing you in this instance as his performance at Widnes against Warrington was as poor as I've seen. He literally played like a subbuteo player in that game. Barely did any running from half back and just shifted the ball. It was obvious Offiah was in his head and his subsequent flicking of the V's to people who called out his poor attitude was as equally reprehensible.
    Not sure about my memory, but yours isn’t the hottest.

    Offiah wasn’t his agent.

    I can’t remember which game it was, but I recall his attitude being slammed one particular game, yet he pulled off a last ditch cover tackle to save a certain try.

    And as for the ‘Vs’ incident, I can’t say as I blame him with the bile he was subjected to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnythesaint View Post
    Not sure about my memory, but yours isn’t the hottest.

    Offiah wasn’t his agent.

    I can’t remember which game it was, but I recall his attitude being slammed one particular game, yet he pulled off a last ditch cover tackle to save a certain try.

    And as for the ‘Vs’ incident, I can’t say as I blame him with the bile he was subjected to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eddiewaringsflatcap View Post
    That’s 2009.

    Two years before the game in question.

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    I’ve no problem with a sportsman looking to better themselves financially in whatever sport but it was the way he did it that was shoddy. During that season at Widnes after it was announced he was going to Bath at the end of the season he was clearly not trying and it was blatantly obvious to anyone there watching. If he had given his all in his final season then he would have gone with my blessing but his mind was clearly on other things and he let the team down - to the extent where he was dropped from the team if I remember rightly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eddiewaringsflatcap View Post
    Top three is an interesting one because at first I thought it was a lofty call but who is there? I think Wigan are a lock in the top 3 as we should be. The only risk for us is that the new recruits flop but its unlikely and we have Lees bigger and better prepped this year too. That leaves Warrington, Leeds, Cas and arguably Huddersfield (though personally I'm not bought on the latter).

    Warrington are anyones guess given the Price situation, I can't see Cas being anywhere near consistent enough and as I say Huddersfield feel a long-term project. You could well be right.
    Leeds finishing third isn’t exactly a bold call. They’re the current cup holders and have a decent side that is relatively similar to Warrington’s, so I’d be shocked if anyone else but them two finished third.
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    Quote Originally Posted by saintgeorge View Post
    I’ve no problem with a sportsman looking to better themselves financially in whatever sport but it was the way he did it that was shoddy. During that season at Widnes after it was announced he was going to Bath at the end of the season he was clearly not trying and it was blatantly obvious to anyone there watching. If he had given his all in his final season then he would have gone with my blessing but his mind was clearly on other things and he let the team down - to the extent where he was dropped from the team if I remember rightly.
    He was injured. You never know, he may well have been carrying an injury in the games he was being accused of not trying. I notice Leon Pryce has spoken well of him on social media this afternoon. I wouldn’t have thought he’d have put up with his poor attitude and unprofessionalism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnythesaint View Post
    That’s 2009.

    Two years before the game in question.
    Martin Offiah was definitely acting as a cross code agent, then once he played Union changed agent. McManus was fuming at the time that he thought Offiah sparked off a bidding war when the club offered him a contract around 250 000. Jammer also thought Eastmond had his head turned by Offiah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STIDDY View Post
    Martin Offiah was definitely acting as a cross code agent, then once he played Union changed agent. McManus was fuming at the time that he thought Offiah sparked off a bidding war when the club offered him a contract around 250 000. Jammer also thought Eastmond had his head turned by Offiah.
    He wasn’t his agent then mate. Google it. There’s plenty of sources.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnythesaint View Post
    Why are people so revolted by sportspeople chasing money?
    It's not necessarily that. Graham went to Aus for a bumper payrise with the universal best wishes of fans ringing in his ears.

    All about the manner of leaving. And, in terms of Eastmond's move to Leeds, not trying to bullsh*t the reasons ('timing'=money).

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnythesaint View Post
    He was injured. You never know, he may well have been carrying an injury in the games he was being accused of not trying. I notice Leon Pryce has spoken well of him on social media this afternoon. I wouldn’t have thought he’d have put up with his poor attitude and unprofessionalism.
    Surely if he was injured he wouldn’t have been selected. And Eastmond was great for us prior to the season he left - probably the reason why Price speaks well of him- I would rarely accuse a player of not trying but for me and the majority of Saints supporters at Widnes he was not trying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnythesaint View Post
    Why are people so revolted by sportspeople chasing money?
    Why do people ask ••••ing stupid questions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angry Dave View Post
    Why do people ask ••••ing stupid questions?
    you tell me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saintgeorge View Post
    Surely if he was injured he wouldn’t have been selected. And Eastmond was great for us prior to the season he left - probably the reason why Price speaks well of him- I would rarely accuse a player of not trying but for me and the majority of Saints supporters at Widnes he was not trying.
    Surely if he “wasn’t trying” he wouldn’t have been selected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnythesaint View Post
    you tell me.
    Usually in a bid to be controversial or spark debate. That or plain old stupidity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnythesaint View Post
    Surely if he “wasn’t trying” he wouldn’t have been selected.
    Well, as I said, he was dropped for a spell if memory serves me right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnythesaint View Post
    Surely if he “wasn’t trying” he wouldn’t have been selected.
    He wasn’t. He was dropped to the Academy but only a load of injuries meant he come back, unfortunately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnythesaint View Post
    Surely if he “wasn’t trying” he wouldn’t have been selected.
    That's slightly naive. The history of sport is littered with stories of players who were known as lazy or didn't exactly put in a shift most weeks but getting selected because the alternative was a less talented plodder. Matt Le Tissier never ran back past the half way line, but would Southampton ever drop him for not trying? Glenn Hoddle had a similar rep in the 80s, but it would have been mad to drop him. Ben Barba downed tools near the end of his time at Saints, but what was the alternative but to play a potential match winner despite him not putting in a shift? Coaches know when some of their players have their heads elsewhere but they weigh up the pros and cons and decide if a lazy or uncommitted match winner is worth giving a shirt to, and in loads of cases the answer is yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gray77 View Post
    That's slightly naive. The history of sport is littered with stories of players who were known as lazy or didn't exactly put in a shift most weeks but getting selected because the alternative was a less talented plodder. Matt Le Tissier never ran back past the half way line, but would Southampton ever drop him for not trying? Glenn Hoddle had a similar rep in the 80s, but it would have been mad to drop him. Ben Barba downed tools near the end of his time at Saints, but what was the alternative but to play a potential match winner despite him not putting in a shift? Coaches know when some of their players have their heads elsewhere but they weigh up the pros and cons and decide if a lazy or uncommitted match winner is worth giving a shirt to, and in loads of cases the answer is yes.
    Plus Eastmond had never previously been a problem with being lazy or not trying. I guess we thought for a while that he just needed a week or two to get his head sorted and he'd be fine, but he wasn't; the fans began to get on his back, and it spiralled down from there.

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    His only real asset was his pace and agility so 10 years on at 31 there have to be doubts about his value I'd say

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean Day View Post
    His only real asset was his pace and agility so 10 years on at 31 there have to be doubts about his value I'd say
    His best assets were his footwork, acceleration and strong hips to bust out of tackles. There will be doubts as to whether he still has that spark but if he still has it, he will be one of the most dangerous halves in SL.

    Quote Originally Posted by STIDDY View Post
    Looking forward to see the Lomax v Eastmond match up, could be enbarrassing for the latter.
    I actually think Lomax could be worried about his spot at the RLWC if Eastmond can fire, because of what I've said above. And that's good for England! Williams and Eastmond at their best can really threaten the line.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Stephenson View Post
    His best assets were his footwork, acceleration and strong hips to bust out of tackles. There will be doubts as to whether he still has that spark but if he still has it, he will be one of the most dangerous halves in SL.



    I actually think Lomax could be worried about his spot at the RLWC if Eastmond can fire, because of what I've said above. And that's good for England! Williams and Eastmond at their best can really threaten the line.


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    Im not convinced he will play in the halves, given he has played the last decade in Union as a centre, he may be more likely to slot in there.

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