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    Kendall is getting more and more like Bentham lately, missing a lot of headshots in fact Moore is not far behind either.

    When we play Catalan next week, I would like to see our players dropping like a sack of spuds if on the receiving end go a bad head tackle, we are just too forgiving this season and refs just brush it off as per our Wigoon game last week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Hemmings' Wig View Post
    There are hundreds of examples of the video referee getting involved in on field disciplinary issues. When saints played Leeds a few weeks ago, Walmsley got sin binned on the say of the video referee as the on field referee didn’t see anything wrong with his tackle on Mellor.

    How Kendall missed the high tackle by McIllorum is one thing, but you have to ask questions about why Hicks just completely ignored it. I can see how Kendall missed the Tomkins incident, but again it was pretty blatant and Hicks should have got involved.
    I know the video refs do sometimes get involved but most of the time only seems to be after a player stays down ‘injured’ after an incident the ref has missed. My point was about how we could use the technology better, for example if a ref misses something the TMO in union will tell the referee to stop the game so they can review the incident. Or alternatively the ref is unsure about something he can ask the TMO to be having a look at it while play continues, this prevents the game from being stopped unnecessarily.
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    I reckon Mc Illorum is bang to rights but I'm not so sure over the other half wit. It looks to me like he just got his hand in an unfortunate position, it wasn't like he was looking at what he was doing. He was obviously completing a tackle and his body was be tensed as such so I'd say it was accidental. I'm not looking to defend him but it needs some perspective otherwise we'll end up with silly season on this. Poor officiating again though on both counts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinkers89 View Post
    Even the Clowns on Commentary pointed out that the video ref had "missed" the opportunity to step in.


    All it takes is for the The Ref, in this instance Kendall, to say whilst Dwyer is having his treatment "was there any foul play"

    The same with the Joel Tomkins incident.


    He had already stopped play, so why not investigate it.
    If there was a screen and a crowd, without doubt they'd have reviewed it

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulscnthorpe View Post
    If there was a screen and a crowd, without doubt they'd have reviewed it
    Youre most definitely correct.


    But we still are using the VR for everything else so why not in instances where there is possibly foul play?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angry Dave View Post
    I reckon Mc Illorum is bang to rights but I'm not so sure over the other half wit. It looks to me like he just got his hand in an unfortunate position, it wasn't like he was looking at what he was doing. He was obviously completing a tackle and his body was be tensed as such so I'd say it was accidental. I'm not looking to defend him but it needs some perspective otherwise we'll end up with silly season on this. Poor officiating again though on both counts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angry Dave View Post
    I reckon Mc Illorum is bang to rights but I'm not so sure over the other half wit. It looks to me like he just got his hand in an unfortunate position, it wasn't like he was looking at what he was doing. He was obviously completing a tackle and his body was be tensed as such so I'd say it was accidental. I'm not looking to defend him but it needs some perspective otherwise we'll end up with silly season on this. Poor officiating again though on both counts.
    I tend to agree but the precedent has been set by the Makinson and Lineham incidents.

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    Re McIllorum, far more serious was that after his hit, the player was down in front of him and he just picked him up and threw him back down. He didn’t know if there was a serious neck injury, he could have easily caused serious damage. That alone should be a big ban.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saintgeorge View Post
    I tend to agree but the precedent has been set by the Makinson and Lineham incidents.
    Well that almost certainly means he'll get away with it then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bostik Bailey View Post
    Re McIllorum, far more serious was that after his hit, the player was down in front of him and he just picked him up and threw him back down. He didn’t know if there was a serious neck injury, he could have easily caused serious damage. That alone should be a big ban.
    It was a typical Thugby response from him compared to the one with Walmsley who cushioned the players head as he was hitting the ground, Walmsley initially got a 2 game ban.

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    Clearly both should result in season ending bans. No faith in the disciplinary panel to do the correct thing however.
    Additionally, Kendall should be told he is being stood down for the rest of the season too..... incompetence and blatant disregard for player welfare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by warringtonsaint View Post
    Clearly both should result in season ending bans. No faith in the disciplinary panel to do the correct thing however.
    Additionally, Kendall should be told he is being stood down for the rest of the season too..... incompetence and blatant disregard for player welfare.
    That also reminds me of the incident when the Leeds player was out cold and half of the players were waving at him to stop the game, including Tomkins who actually delayed picking the ball up at dummy half to do so. Completely oblivious. Then he has the cheek to tell Hurrell to calm down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinkers89 View Post
    Youre most definitely correct.


    But we still are using the VR for everything else so why not in instances where there is possibly foul play?
    The rule is that the VR can intervene if the offence is worthy of a card. Which it clearly was in everyone’s eyes bar Robert Hicks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinkers89 View Post
    Chris Kendall forgot it was Catalan he was reffing tonight, not Wigan.


    Mcllorum and Joel should 100% miss out next week.


    On a side note. Atkins has recieved a 3 month ban for placing bets on Wakfield.
    To be fair to Kendall (although one wonders why we should!) there are so many Piescum in the Catalans team, playing the Piescum style thugby league, Kendall can be forgiven for thinking he was reffing Wigan by their own set of rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angry Dave View Post
    I reckon Mc Illorum is bang to rights but I'm not so sure over the other half wit. It looks to me like he just got his hand in an unfortunate position, it wasn't like he was looking at what he was doing. He was obviously completing a tackle and his body was be tensed as such so I'd say it was accidental. I'm not looking to defend him but it needs some perspective otherwise we'll end up with silly season on this. Poor officiating again though on both counts.
    Not sure on the Tomkins one. At least he didn't do a Hopoate and have his hand inside the shorts. Still wouldn't mind seeing him get a ban, Mc Illorum, just no defence for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belgian Saint View Post
    Not sure on the Tomkins one. At least he didn't do a Hopoate and have his hand inside the shorts. Still wouldn't mind seeing him get a ban, Mc Illorum, just no defence for him.
    Don't get me wrong, it wouldn't surprise me him doing something like that, he looks and sounds like he's missing a chromosome.

    The other fella, I don't see how he can get away with that but then again, who knows with this lot.

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    We have been very fortunate with the disciplinary lately, Tommy had his charge downgraded and reduced to five games (Lineham got 8)
    Big Al had had a game knocked off his ban. If nothing comes of these incidents and no bans we can have no complaints, besides I would sooner beat a full strength side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallaght Tiger View Post
    We have been very fortunate with the disciplinary lately, Tommy had his charge downgraded and reduced to five games (Lineham got 8)
    Big Al had had a game knocked off his ban. If nothing comes of these incidents and no bans we can have no complaints, besides I would sooner beat a full strength side.
    Have to disagree with this.

    Makinsons ban was reduced for having good conduct prior.

    Walmsleys ban was nothing short of a joke. Whether it was 1 or 2 games.


    Mcllorum has previous as does Joel. I dont want to face a full strength Catalans because them two players dont deserve to be playing next week.

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    The two play off games you would think would get the best officials. Only games of the week. In the Leeds game the ref misses a blatant offside and makes up a knock on at the play the ball. The following game there's an attack to the head and a dodgy digit. Hope the standard is better in our game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallaght Tiger View Post
    We have been very fortunate with the disciplinary lately, Tommy had his charge downgraded and reduced to five games (Lineham got 8)
    Big Al had had a game knocked off his ban. If nothing comes of these incidents and no bans we can have no complaints, besides I would sooner beat a full strength side.
    I must say I don’t get this reasoning at all. Makinson getting 5 matches for a ball grab doesn’t mean we should be happy with Tomkins getting 0 for sticking his fingers up someone’s a-hole.

    The fact that Walmsley was banned at all for that non-incident means we should be outraged if McIlorum gets nothing for his shot on Dwyer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dux View Post
    I must say I don’t get this reasoning at all. Makinson getting 5 matches for a ball grab doesn’t mean we should be happy with Tomkins getting 0 for sticking his fingers up someone’s a-hole.

    The fact that Walmsley was banned at all for that non-incident means we should be outraged if McIlorum gets nothing for his shot on Dwyer.
    Just pointing out that the non trustworthy disciplinary as a few have labelled them have been okay to us.
    In Walmsley`s case whether it is accidental or not if a player is in a dangerous position a ban usually occurs and has been reduced in the past for other players , I can remember Robes getting off, ironically, against Catalan a few years back.
    Some on here think the disciplinary is against us when in Tommy`s case he received less than Lineham, it is not reasoning merely stating a fact.
    I would prefer to beat Catalan with Mick Mac & Tomkins playing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallaght Tiger View Post
    We have been very fortunate with the disciplinary lately, Tommy had his charge downgraded and reduced to five games (Lineham got 8)
    Big Al had had a game knocked off his ban. If nothing comes of these incidents and no bans we can have no complaints, besides I would sooner beat a full strength side.
    The trouble is they are showing tolerance to the serial offenders, historically its been going on for a long time, we also get the situation were the offences are dealt with correctly at the beginning of the season but the judgements are lighter towards the end of the season.

    Eyes wide shut McBanana gets on my wick as well he' doesn't see any misdemeanours at all when it comes to his team yet when his players feign injury he's up on his soap box calling out the wrong doings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallaght Tiger View Post
    Just pointing out that the non trustworthy disciplinary as a few have labelled them have been okay to us.
    In Walmsley`s case whether it is accidental or not if a player is in a dangerous position a ban usually occurs and has been reduced in the past for other players , I can remember Robes getting off, ironically, against Catalan a few years back.
    Some on here think the disciplinary is against us when in Tommy`s case he received less than Lineham, it is not reasoning merely stating a fact.
    I would prefer to beat Catalan with Mick Mac & Tomkins playing.
    It might be a fact that these things happened, but it is reasoning to suggest that as a result we can’t complain if neither McIlorum nor Tomkins are punished. For precisely the reason you state regarding Walmsley’s ban (i.e. the defender having a duty of care), McIlorum should be getting one too. And if you think that 5 games for a ball grab is lenient treatment I’m struggling to see how you could consider no punishment for an anal probe acceptable.

    I take your point about wanting to beat them at full strength, but that’s a separate matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallaght Tiger View Post
    Just pointing out that the non trustworthy disciplinary as a few have labelled them have been okay to us.
    In Walmsley`s case whether it is accidental or not if a player is in a dangerous position a ban usually occurs and has been reduced in the past for other players , I can remember Robes getting off, ironically, against Catalan a few years back.
    Some on here think the disciplinary is against us when in Tommy`s case he received less than Lineham, it is not reasoning merely stating a fact.
    I would prefer to beat Catalan with Mick Mac & Tomkins playing.
    Would you like hicks to ref it as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dux View Post
    It might be a fact that these things happened, but it is reasoning to suggest that as a result we can’t complain if neither McIlorum nor Tomkins are punished. For precisely the reason you state regarding Walmsley’s ban (i.e. the defender having a duty of care), McIlorum should be getting one too. And if you think that 5 games for a ball grab is lenient treatment I’m struggling to see how you could consider no punishment for an anal probe acceptable.

    I take your point about wanting to beat them at full strength, but that’s a separate matter.
    I personally think MM deserves a ban but the Tomkins incident is not as cut and dry as Tommys, but MM plays that way most of the time, wish some of our lads had his nasty streak as it would put the oppo in two minds.
    The suggestion by some that we are treated wrongly by the disciplinary is wide of the mark, also I think it makes us sound small that we hope x gets banned, lets play them at full strength and get dirty with it. I hope MM does play it may put a bit of fire in our lads.
    Greggo time to put the blaming of refs behind us this is small time mentality, lets play them at their limits and at full strength. If we are really as good as some make out on paper lets be that good on the turf, it is the hard done by attitude that has lost us too many Semis & Finals, time to put it up to everyone the next two games.

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