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    No ex player should be head coach until he has coached somewhere else first preferably a short stint in aus.
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    Rumour had it that he didn’t get on that well with McManus

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gray77 View Post
    It's a great thing that we have loads of ex-players that we love and want to remain part of the club. Personally I'd love Wellens to be Saints coach one day, it would feel right and I would trust him to know exactly what the fans wanted from the team. Long is the same to a slightly lesser extent, he gets us and would look at the game from an old-school half backs mentality.

    But... do we want these lads to jump into the lions cage before they're ready? Wellens, Long, Joynt, etc don't have their statue outside the ground. The fella outside the ground is the one who we thought understood us more than anyone, our biggest icon, our talisman, the King, whatever else you want to call him. And some people have forgotten his outstanding contributions to the club because he was a dud as a coach. I don't want that to happen to anyone else, and so if we want to go down that road again I'd prefer it to be for one of our ex-players that's had time in another job first. Are Long, Wellens or anyone else going to be a sure-fire ready made developed coach in a year when Woolfe (we assume) leaves? Tough call. Maybe that generation is two steps away from the big job, not the one step that some assume.
    I totally agree. There are a number of clubs that are entitled to consider themselves not to be training or proving appointments and Saints are clearly one of those. Great players don't necessarily make great coaches especially those that played on the edge and with flair and finesse and guile........Equally we're a club recognised for a style of play, seated in its Community, used to success. We're entitled to challenge to get the very best and to believe that the best wants to reciprocate and coach at Saints. Whether this is SL or not down the line I don't know but it's too big a first step for him is my belief. I would have him back in a heartbeat as attack coach as whatever people think of KW and RM (and I think you know my views) neither can be spending any time whatsoever on that facet of our game. If they actually are then they're not proving to be very good at it. ...........here come a host of people to quote stats at me again no doubt.


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    He doesn't have a great CV in coaching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scouse Don View Post
    No ex player should be head coach until he has coached somewhere else first preferably a short stint in aus.
    If they were doing a good job down there even is a lesser role I wouldn't be overly optimistic that they'd come back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkieTalkie View Post
    I totally agree. There are a number of clubs that are entitled to consider themselves not to be training or proving appointments and Saints are clearly one of those. Great players don't necessarily make great coaches especially those that played on the edge and with flair and finesse and guile........Equally we're a club recognised for a style of play, seated in its Community, used to success. We're entitled to challenge to get the very best and to believe that the best wants to reciprocate and coach at Saints. Whether this is SL or not down the line I don't know but it's too big a first step for him is my belief. I would have him back in a heartbeat as attack coach as whatever people think of KW and RM (and I think you know my views) neither can be spending any time whatsoever on that facet of our game. If they actually are then they're not proving to be very good at it. ...........here come a host of people to quote stats at me again no doubt.



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    I don't think we are giving Longy enough recognition on what he has achieved and his temperament in his coaching roles. He doesn't have that big chip on his shoulder EGO that Cunningham had as a coach, to me Longy has took up the opportunities since retiring to advance his progression, I just don't see that maverick character anymore, in my opinion he's determined to be head coach and that's going to be sooner than later, in a couple of seasons perhaps.

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    Lots of different skills required to be a head coach. Some just want the core skills teaching and no pressure facet of working with the youth systems, progressing to U21 and fringe players without becoming too involved with the mental aspect side of coaching higher/elite level.
    The cut throat, ruthless edge of top flight coaching is not for everyone.
    Wolf is doing a good job, he has little or no loyalties to any of our squad, there will be changes next year, because he has no history with any of our lads he will cull the squad where it needs to be done.
    I trust this system rather than the blind loyalty route.
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    Quote Originally Posted by STIDDY View Post
    I don't think we are giving Longy enough recognition on what he has achieved and his temperament in his coaching roles. He doesn't have that big chip on his shoulder EGO that Cunningham had as a coach, to me Longy has took up the opportunities since retiring to advance his progression, I just don't see that maverick character anymore, in my opinion he's determined to be head coach and that's going to be sooner than later, in a couple of seasons perhaps.
    I think I agree with most of what you say. I would still prefer him to be head coach somewhere else first however if he is a clear best candidate for our job I'd go with him.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Div View Post
    Here we are top of the league by 5.7% and folk want the coach out ��
    I do tonight.

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    Just seen Sean's stats, 2625 for Saints, second behind Kel, 3413.
    He's been one of our greatest and he knows how far he can go coaching. I'm not sure he's the man next. But I would be the first to bow down if he did. Many great days out brought on by Sean.

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    Off to Leeds so I hear to link up with his old pal Richard Agar as his #2


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    Quote Originally Posted by h-bomb View Post
    Off to Leeds so I hear to link up with his old pal Richard Agar as his #2


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    I'm not doubting you, but if he is happy with a No 2 position why did he leave here? Unless he doesn't expect Agar to last.

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    I’d imagine a specialised coaching role in Union would pay better than a number two job at Leeds. Though money isn’t everything, I know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Belgian Saint View Post
    I'm not doubting you, but if he is happy with a No 2 position why did he leave here? Unless he doesn't expect Agar to last.
    Don't think there are many opportunities in league with the current Covid climate at the moment.

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    I think Wellens would make a better coach in due course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg View Post
    I think Wellens would make a better coach in due course.
    This would be the call I would expect from a lot of people & there would be a lot worse options than Wello. However I've always been of the view that both in sport & in my industrial experience for example you ultimately get a more rounded candidate on account of being exposed to different influences. Going to RU then Leeds I believe will help SL in the longer term above Wello's Saints only experience. Just a view.


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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkieTalkie View Post
    This would be the call I would expect from a lot of people & there would be a lot worse options than Wello. However I've always been of the view that both in sport & in my industrial experience for example you ultimately get a more rounded candidate on account of being exposed to different influences. Going to RU then Leeds I believe will help SL in the longer term above Wello's Saints only experience. Just a view.


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    I think Wellens will be Saints coach at some point in the next few years and as you mention i'd be one of the fans who would be fine with that. He has a game winning mentality, huge amount of respect within the game and experience under 3 coaches so far. He also appears to be level headed and calm under pressure, I don't think you would get the same outbursts from Wello as you did with Cunningham.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkieTalkie View Post
    This would be the call I would expect from a lot of people & there would be a lot worse options than Wello. However I've always been of the view that both in sport & in my industrial experience for example you ultimately get a more rounded candidate on account of being exposed to different influences. Going to RU then Leeds I believe will help SL in the longer term above Wello's Saints only experience. Just a view.


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    I agree with you, but if they announced Wellens I would be desperate for him to succeed, from both the point of view of the club and the fact that he is one of my all time favourites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barry View Post
    I think Wellens will be Saints coach at some point in the next few years and as you mention i'd be one of the fans who would be fine with that. He has a game winning mentality, huge amount of respect within the game and experience under 3 coaches so far. He also appears to be level headed and calm under pressure, I don't think you would get the same outbursts from Wello as you did with Cunningham.

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    I'm sure all your comments are valid, but I also think he would be even an even better candidate if he went & came back. He seems to be a home bird and happy at Saints (who really knows) and I concede that in itself adds quality to the mix.


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    Quote Originally Posted by barry View Post
    I think Wellens will be Saints coach at some point in the next few years and as you mention i'd be one of the fans who would be fine with that. He has a game winning mentality, huge amount of respect within the game and experience under 3 coaches so far. He also appears to be level headed and calm under pressure, I don't think you would get the same outbursts from Wello as you did with Cunningham.

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    Had plenty of coaching experience at the top level with GB too.

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    Long and wello are clearly steeped in the clubs history, and know the game of rl inside out

    However I agree with an earlier post, for me I would always want some one who has been a head coach and showed he can handle the pressure of the job

    Shown he is able to get his ideas over to players, shown he can motivate players, shown he has a good idea for recruitment and shown he has man management skills


    ST Helens is a famous rugby league club one of the biggest in the game anywhere in the world and we should be getting a proven talent imo and at the moment for all their merits neither long or wello have that and they may have to go and take a job like that somewhere else and then come back to get the head coach job here

    So it's a no from me sorry, personally I'd go for Watson and Salford and I know he's not universally popular but I like Tony Smith I think he would do well

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    Quote Originally Posted by JB1973 View Post
    Long and wello are clearly steeped in the clubs history, and know the game of rl inside out

    However I agree with an earlier post, for me I would always want some one who has been a head coach and showed he can handle the pressure of the job

    Shown he is able to get his ideas over to players, shown he can motivate players, shown he has a good idea for recruitment and shown he has man management skills


    ST Helens is a famous rugby league club one of the biggest in the game anywhere in the world and should be getting a proven talent imo and at the moment for all their merits neither long or wello have that and they may have to go and take a job like that somewhere else and then come back to get the head coach job here

    So it's a no from me sorry, personally I'd go for Watson and Salford and I know he's not universally popular but I like Tony Smith I think he would do well
    I get what people are saying about head coach experience but Justin Holbrook was an assistant before he came here.

    With the benefit of hindsight, appointing KC was a mistake. However, is it possible that we could in future miss out on a potentially great coach because we have adopted a conservative attitude about the need for prior head coach experience? That’s not to say that it isn’t a bad idea for Longy and Wellens to get whatever experience they can but should we write them both off for the top job if they haven’t first been head coach elsewhere?

    At the moment, I would like is to have Longy back in the camp. I think he’d have some creative ideas in attack.

    P. S. Luckily none of us make these decisions anyway .

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    Quote Originally Posted by JB1973 View Post
    Long and wello are clearly steeped in the clubs history, and know the game of rl inside out

    However I agree with an earlier post, for me I would always want some one who has been a head coach and showed he can handle the pressure of the job

    Shown he is able to get his ideas over to players, shown he can motivate players, shown he has a good idea for recruitment and shown he has man management skills


    ST Helens is a famous rugby league club one of the biggest in the game anywhere in the world and we should be getting a proven talent imo and at the moment for all their merits neither long or wello have that and they may have to go and take a job like that somewhere else and then come back to get the head coach job here

    So it's a no from me sorry, personally I'd go for Watson and Salford and I know he's not universally popular but I like Tony Smith I think he would do well
    Interesting I pretty much agree with your comments about Long & Wello too big first up top job. Never thought of Smith and I don't suppose he would find it easy carrying the Wire cast-off image. However while I see Watson as a good fit for our style I can see Smith as the all round better option. Watson has never had any cash so scratched around for players but I believe our expectations are higher than that while Smith has experienced managing with in effect no salary cap but has now been brought back down to earth in the cul-de-sac. Maybe that would drive him on again, re-energise him?

    I'll now prepare myself for a load of creative Smith is a tosser replies.


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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkieTalkie View Post
    This would be the call I would expect from a lot of people & there would be a lot worse options than Wello. However I've always been of the view that both in sport & in my industrial experience for example you ultimately get a more rounded candidate on account of being exposed to different influences. Going to RU then Leeds I believe will help SL in the longer term above Wello's Saints only experience. Just a view.

    Does Wellens do a hell of a lot away from RL in terms of developing himself by going to learn from other sports? Granted it’s not all relevant to RL but there’s certainly stuff to be taken from it ala Holbrook when he went to view that NFL side the other year.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Belgian Saint View Post
    I agree with you, but if they announced Wellens I would be desperate for him to succeed, from both the point of view of the club and the fact that he is one of my all time favourites.
    This is my view. It hurt me to turn on Cunningham and want him to relinquish the role of Head Coach when I was desperate for him to do well. I have the same feelings for Wellens and it would be gutting if it didn’t work.
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