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    Quote Originally Posted by Webbo Again View Post
    He might... but he'd be stupid too. Knowles is great doing the dirty work in the middle round the ruck. When he's played as 2nd row in the channel, he's looked far from good (and he lose his tireless work in the middle)

    Just play one of the young centres who, you know, are, like, actual centres.
    God forbid us developing a youngster in the position that he was recruited for even if they have the odd representative honour and we're also now short of one. I don't understand some comments that appear to suggest particular positions are sort of makeshift. How many comments do we see about " just move xxx to the wing" or "just move xxx to centre" etc. These positions like all others require particular skills gained over years of development & experience gained. No wonder we struggle at times.

    I believe this is a particular shortcoming of KW and one that needs resolving. I'm resigned this year, trophies or not, to it being a platform year to move on from next year in the hope that the platform is ultimately strong enough to build further from.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint from Bury View Post
    Potentially out for a while as even if someone says he's recovered nobody can be quite sure with confidence so they'll likely err on the side of caution again.


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    I hope they get him to a decent specialist, not one sponsored by Batchelors peas, nor Betfred. He showed in the time he was on the field the class he has.

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    Quote Originally Posted by St Christopher View Post
    I agree with this comment. Although I rate Mark highly, clearly he wasn't 100% fit enough to play. However, either the medical staff aren't up to it or he wasn't being 100% truthful with them. Woolf can only pick fit players based on what he is told. Time for Percy to reflect and rest proper.
    Hindsight is a truly remark remarkable gift. He had probably trained well previously and was deemed fit to play. It is the extra effort in match condition that finds the weakness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notawiginfan View Post
    Hindsight is a truly remark remarkable gift. He had probably trained well previously and was deemed fit to play. It is the extra effort in match condition that finds the weakness.
    This in a nutshell. Training doesn't replicate the stresses of a match,the extra effort people put in and the extra stresses it puts on the body.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brook View Post
    This in a nutshell. Training doesn't replicate the stresses of a match,the extra effort people put in and the extra stresses it puts on the body.
    Quite. Which is why it was utterly stupid to use the cup match to prove his match fitness if he was fit enough to play part of the week before in a less important match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Private Pyle View Post
    Quite. Which is why it was utterly stupid to use the cup match to prove his match fitness if he was fit enough to play part of the week before in a less important match.
    I agree 100%.

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    Mark does not help himself with his berserker runs at the big guys in the defensive line.Much better going laterally like Tommy for an experiment when he's back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Private Pyle View Post
    Quite. Which is why it was utterly stupid to use the cup match to prove his match fitness if he was fit enough to play part of the week before in a less important match.
    Absolutely it was naive in the extreme and quite simply ridiculous. Even without the recurring injury he would likely be out of gas at 60/65 mins or at least not contributing effectively through not being match fit. I've come to expect these poor decisions afraid.


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    It's a no win situation (especially on here ) IF he had of played against HKR and broke down then there would be people on here saying he was rushed back and he should of had another week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scouse Don View Post
    Mark does not help himself with his berserker runs at the big guys in the defensive line.Much better going laterally like Tommy for an experiment when he's back.
    I think he does run laterally at times, how many tries has he scored with a lateral run and the found a gap near the post. I don't think he should be asked to run laterally more, if that is not his game. Apart from which, he would get crucified on here for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belgian Saint View Post
    I think he does run laterally at times, how many tries has he scored with a lateral run and the found a gap near the post. I don't think he should be asked to run laterally more, if that is not his game. Apart from which, he would get crucified on here for it.
    Wasn't his try at last year's GF a lateral run then a kick through?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belgian Saint View Post
    I think he does run laterally at times, how many tries has he scored with a lateral run and the found a gap near the post. I don't think he should be asked to run laterally more, if that is not his game. Apart from which, he would get crucified on here for it.
    That was my first thought.

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    I think with the way this season is going, we should possibly look to sit him out for the rest of the season.

    If we keep pushing him , he will just keep getting injured and it will only get worse in the long run.

    I know he is a important part of our attacking line, but I would rather he was able to have a longer healing period and be fit for next season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brook View Post
    It's a no win situation (especially on here ) IF he had of played against HKR and broke down then there would be people on here saying he was rushed back and he should of had another week.
    A player will always want to play so it shouldn't be down to him. There must be technology available to say what his condition is? Our iPhones have more computer power than the US had available to put a man on the moon it can't be beyond the wit of man.


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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkieTalkie View Post
    A player will always want to play so it shouldn't be down to him. There must be technology available to say what his condition is? Our iPhones have more computer power than the US had available to put a man on the moon it can't be beyond the wit of man.


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    The medical staff cleared him,he was ok in training. There is very little else that can be done. If big money sports like football and nfl can't crack it then what chance does our small sport have?

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    Quote Originally Posted by brook View Post
    The medical staff cleared him,he was ok in training. There is very little else that can be done. If big money sports like football and nfl can't crack it then what chance does our small sport have?
    I thought MRI's could 'see' everything so I would hope he's had one of these as a minimum. Problem is if he's passed as fit by the medics, he's feeling confident in himself and nothing is picked up on scans then that's no real help as he's always going to be vulnerable to a recurrence.


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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkieTalkie View Post
    I thought MRI's could 'see' everything so I would hope he's had one of these as a minimum. Problem is if he's passed as fit by the medics, he's feeling confident in himself and nothing is picked up on scans then that's no real help as he's always going to be vulnerable to a recurrence.


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    They can't predict how it will stretch or twist or stuff like that,or what happens of your studs catch in the ground and you get twisted around,there are so many variables that can affect it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brook View Post
    They can't predict how it will stretch or twist or stuff like that,or what happens of your studs catch in the ground and you get twisted around,there are so many variables that can affect it.
    Additionally, an MRI might show a tear has healed, but if there's a background issue causing fissioning pressure on the hamstrings, then you'll get a recurring problem. A number of sports people have suffered with recurring problems, and too often the treatment targets the symptoms rather than the core problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Webbo Again View Post
    Additionally, an MRI might show a tear has healed, but if there's a background issue causing fissioning pressure on the hamstrings, then you'll get a recurring problem. A number of sports people have suffered with recurring problems, and too often the treatment targets the symptoms rather than the core problem.
    Exactly, there has to be something fundamental that's being missed. It's obvious that he will as will every other player suffer twists and jars to his hamstrings in a physical sport but clearly he has a weak link in there somewhere. I still don't think it helped to hold him back until the cup game for the full 80 in front of him. I believe that's a basic error of management of his re-introduction.


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    Sounds very similar to the nightmare that Michael Owen had, his was Hamstring Tendinosis small tears in the tendon sheath attached to the top of the hamstring muscle near the lower buttocks, seem to remember some other sportsman had it and got it fixed.

    Hopefully he will get a diagnosis next week and get a recovery positive, otherwise it will play on his mind like Michael Owen who expected to break down everytime he took the field.

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    Welsby going off as well was really unfortunate. Had it just been Percival, we could have put Bentley in the centres and Knowles to right back row which wouldn’t have been too bad. Losing Welsby as well obviously meant that we had to put Naquima on the wing, Knowles to right centre and LMS to right back row which made it very difficult for us.

    In terms of Percival, as others have said hopefully they’re able to find a solution. He’s a quality player, we saw in the opening stages of the game how influential he can be and we need him to be at his best for as many years as possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkieTalkie View Post
    God forbid us developing a youngster in the position that he was recruited for even if they have the odd representative honour and we're also now short of one. I don't understand some comments that appear to suggest particular positions are sort of makeshift. How many comments do we see about " just move xxx to the wing" or "just move xxx to centre" etc. These positions like all others require particular skills gained over years of development & experience gained. No wonder we struggle at times.

    I believe this is a particular shortcoming of KW and one that needs resolving. I'm resigned this year, trophies or not, to it being a platform year to move on from next year in the hope that the platform is ultimately strong enough to build further from.


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    I don't trust Woolfe one bit bringing the young lads through. It seems like a total reluctance to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angry Dave View Post
    I don't trust Woolfe one bit brinking the young lads through. It seems like a total reluctance to me.
    The guy's not even been in charge half a season yet, and look at the circumstances he's taken over in. Talk about jumping to conclusions.

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