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    this injury is becoming a joke. Leaving the game early and so we are short in the backs. Best thing he can do is take the rest of the year off and come back in 2021

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    But this isnít the first sign we have seen of this injury. It seems a long term problem that keeps appearing. Bit of a worry and in todayís case a gamble that did not pay off.

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    In the one off games you sometimes have to take risks with your players. In this case it didn't pay off. On the plus side we will see more of Simms now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brook View Post
    In the one off games you sometimes have to take risks with your players. In this case it didn't pay off. On the plus side we will see more of Simms now.
    I'm not sure Simms instead of Percy is a plus, but I know what you mean.

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    I don’t understand why in the current game with the medical support how Percival can be put in the starting line up as fit to play and then breaks down again with the same injury. It’s like only having 3 players on the bench, we are shooting our selves in the foot.
    Better to play Simm or any player who is fit.
    Percy needs time to recover we have enough cover at centre.

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    I'm astonished that the medical staff would give him the all-clear to play if he couldn't last a half. He must have done some rigorous work in training to be cleared.

    I do wonder, with Percival, whether there's a problem above his shoulders. He's always been quite volatile, and some of the other players have occasionally implied that he's a bit different. Maybe a trip to the sport psychologist will be slotted in to his physiotherapy sessions.

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    This is his 3rd break down with his hamstring then he had a long spell with his chest/shoulder, Makinson has one more game to serve. For me I would give Simm or Welsby that centre spot for the rest of the games prior's to the play offs. Don't feel confidence at all that Percival will recover this season which is going to be tough to take.

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    Hamstring injuries can be tricky to get over and it only takes an over stretch and the muscle could strain / tear again.

    Given that we haven't any big games to play for now until the Play Offs we may aswell give him as long as possible or explore other options to cure the problem. Hopefully it's not a hamstring tear that requires surgery as that could be a lengthy one.

    Big blow to us though, Percival is a top quality player who makes a big difference to us. We lost the plot a bit defensively down that side today once he went off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blobbynator View Post
    Hamstring injuries can be tricky to get over and it only takes an over stretch and the muscle could strain / tear again.

    Given that we haven't any big games to play for now until the Play Offs we may aswell give him as long as possible or explore other options to cure the problem. Hopefully it's not a hamstring tear that requires surgery as that could be a lengthy one.

    Big blow to us though, Percival is a top quality player who makes a big difference to us. We lost the plot a bit defensively down that side today once he went off.
    Mark Elia was never the same player after a hamstring injury

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    Should Percy have been driving the ball in first tackle as normal? Maybe just stay in the Centre Position until called for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rommel View Post
    Should Percy have been driving the ball in first tackle as normal? Maybe just stay in the Centre Position until called for?
    If they felt he was 100% then no reason not to have him play his normal game. Given the comments from Woolf that he might have played last week I genuinely believe Percival and all the staff thought he was fully fit. As has been mentioned above, muscle injuries are really difficult to track exactly where you are in your recovery and you can pass every fitness test, put it through every stretch, every strain you can think of, but that one peculiar angle you couldnít do again if you tried is the one that sets it off again. I agree with an extended lay off as suggested. If we can get him back for the play offs then great, if not Iíd rather see him miss the rest of the season and come back fresh next year than do long term damage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blobbynator View Post
    Hamstring injuries can be tricky to get over and it only takes an over stretch and the muscle could strain / tear again.

    Given that we haven't any big games to play for now until the Play Offs we may aswell give him as long as possible or explore other options to cure the problem. Hopefully it's not a hamstring tear that requires surgery as that could be a lengthy one.

    Big blow to us though, Percival is a top quality player who makes a big difference to us. We lost the plot a bit defensively down that side today once he went off.
    Agreed ... wonder whether those two tries on that side would have happened - Gelling was anonymous until Percy went off. Just hope itís not going to be a recurrence that affects him like it did Michael Owen - heís a quality player for us in a key position.

    One consolation thought Kev went really well in the centres today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy Haggerty View Post
    I'm astonished that the medical staff would give him the all-clear to play if he couldn't last a half. He must have done some rigorous work in training to be cleared.

    I do wonder, with Percival, whether there's a problem above his shoulders. He's always been quite volatile, and some of the other players have occasionally implied that he's a bit different. Maybe a trip to the sport psychologist will be slotted in to his physiotherapy sessions.
    I agree with this comment. Although I rate Mark highly, clearly he wasn't 100% fit enough to play. However, either the medical staff aren't up to it or he wasn't being 100% truthful with them. Woolf can only pick fit players based on what he is told. Time for Percy to reflect and rest proper.

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    Weíre out of the cup now and the Percival fiasco has cost us big time. The medical staff should have been putting him through some gruelling tests to make sure he was 100% fit and ready. Not 99% ready. 100%.
    He clearly isnít right if he canít even play 20 minutes. I understand that fitness and match fitness are two different things but not in this case. If he canít last 20 minutes of a game his fitness tests canít have been too rigorous.
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    Either one or a combination of things.

    (i) Woolf was overly positive in the press for 2 weeks.

    (ii) The medical staff got in wrong.

    (iii) Percival not completely forthcoming with medics and coaching staff.

    (iv) A series of flukes / statistically unlikely events.

    Not sure giving him a 5 year deal was the smartest move until he could prove his fitness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lion Saint View Post
    Agreed ... wonder whether those two tries on that side would have happened - Gelling was anonymous until Percy went off. Just hope itís not going to be a recurrence that affects him like it did Michael Owen - heís a quality player for us in a key position.

    One consolation thought Kev went really well in the centres today.
    Completely agree. Gelling did nothing till Percy went off. For all his qualities, Bentley is not a centre and was out of position on Gelling's try. In Percy's absence our left side defence wasn't correctly lined up when Gelling got his offload to Charnley minutes later. When the person playing centre isn't used to that position he will often find himself a yard out of position (to the left or right) causing the whole line to be compromised. We had the same problem when LMS filled in as a centre in one big match a couple of years ago. Pity that Peyroux wasn't on the bench. He could have provided insurance for Percival's fitness, and rotated in the pack when needed. Otherwise, maybe Costello should have started, or been on the bench given doubts over Percy's fitness. Frankly if Percival had stayed fit we'd now be in the semi-final.

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    Get him to a proper specialist, get it operated on and sorted.

    We canít afford him to keep breaking down during matches, leaving us to reshuffle and lose a sub.


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    Quote Originally Posted by undertheradar View Post
    Get him to a proper specialist, get it operated on and sorted.

    We can’t afford him to keep breaking down during matches, leaving us to reshuffle and lose a sub.


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    Looks as though thats the next direction to take with our medical not able to sort it out, not good for Percival either from a mental point of view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brook View Post
    In the one off games you sometimes have to take risks with your players. In this case it didn't pay off. On the plus side we will see more of Simms now.
    He might give Knowles another go at centre ?.

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    Quote Originally Posted by undertheradar View Post
    Get him to a proper specialist, get it operated on and sorted.

    We can’t afford him to keep breaking down during matches, leaving us to reshuffle and lose a sub.


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    This. And play Simms not that donkey Costello until he right and stop ragging about ffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by undertheradar View Post
    Get him to a proper specialist, get it operated on and sorted.

    We canít afford him to keep breaking down during matches, leaving us to reshuffle and lose a sub.


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    Undertheradar, I agree with you on needing to get it sorted by landing him on the right person`s desk but we have all heard specialists during this Covid outbreak and there is a major split of opinion on how to treat/contain this virus that does not fill me with confidence.
    Michael Owen says if he was operated on early after the first tear recurrence then he says he would have been okay later on, yet many specialists disagree with surgery as its` success rate is similar to rest & rehab.
    Hope he gets it sorted because as a few have said it is one of the tricky problems that can stagnate an athlete`s career.
    Scully saw numerous experts reference his knee yet the first surgery micro fracture was not what was causing the problem, months in a cast, then months of rehab, then only being able to run straight lines getting told it is as good as it will ever be, then a surgeon spotting a different solution same months of surgery, rehab then a successful return, then achilles injury all because a back problem was not spotted and treated earlier in his career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallaght Tiger View Post
    Undertheradar, I agree with you on needing to get it sorted by landing him on the right person`s desk but we have all heard specialists during this Covid outbreak and there is a major split of opinion on how to treat/contain this virus that does not fill me with confidence.
    Michael Owen says if he was operated on early after the first tear recurrence then he says he would have been okay later on, yet many specialists disagree with surgery as its` success rate is similar to rest & rehab.
    Hope he gets it sorted because as a few have said it is one of the tricky problems that can stagnate an athlete`s career.
    Scully saw numerous experts reference his knee yet the first surgery micro fracture was not what was causing the problem, months in a cast, then months of rehab, then only being able to run straight lines getting told it is as good as it will ever be, then a surgeon spotting a different solution same months of surgery, rehab then a successful return, then achilles injury all because a back problem was not spotted and treated earlier in his career.
    Frightening to think what a player he would have been with an early diagnosis.

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    It's nothing new with Percival though, is it. When he is fit and on song, he is great, but the trade-off is that he can be injury prone. It's tricky though, as we cannot really afford to have a top quality replacement sat on the bench in this day and age, so once he is injured we are immediately impacted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pramtown View Post
    He might give Knowles another go at centre ?.
    He might... but he'd be stupid too. Knowles is great doing the dirty work in the middle round the ruck. When he's played as 2nd row in the channel, he's looked far from good (and he lose his tireless work in the middle)

    Just play one of the young centres who, you know, are, like, actual centres.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Webbo Again View Post
    He might... but he'd be stupid too. Knowles is great doing the dirty work in the middle round the ruck. When he's played as 2nd row in the channel, he's looked far from good (and he lose his tireless work in the middle)

    Just play one of the young centres who, you know, are, like, actual centres.
    Knowles is a definite 13 and Simm did OK.

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