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    this injury is becoming a joke. Leaving the game early and so we are short in the backs. Best thing he can do is take the rest of the year off and come back in 2021

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    But this isn’t the first sign we have seen of this injury. It seems a long term problem that keeps appearing. Bit of a worry and in today’s case a gamble that did not pay off.

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    In the one off games you sometimes have to take risks with your players. In this case it didn't pay off. On the plus side we will see more of Simms now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brook View Post
    In the one off games you sometimes have to take risks with your players. In this case it didn't pay off. On the plus side we will see more of Simms now.
    I'm not sure Simms instead of Percy is a plus, but I know what you mean.

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    I don’t understand why in the current game with the medical support how Percival can be put in the starting line up as fit to play and then breaks down again with the same injury. It’s like only having 3 players on the bench, we are shooting our selves in the foot.
    Better to play Simm or any player who is fit.
    Percy needs time to recover we have enough cover at centre.

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    I'm astonished that the medical staff would give him the all-clear to play if he couldn't last a half. He must have done some rigorous work in training to be cleared.

    I do wonder, with Percival, whether there's a problem above his shoulders. He's always been quite volatile, and some of the other players have occasionally implied that he's a bit different. Maybe a trip to the sport psychologist will be slotted in to his physiotherapy sessions.

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    This is his 3rd break down with his hamstring then he had a long spell with his chest/shoulder, Makinson has one more game to serve. For me I would give Simm or Welsby that centre spot for the rest of the games prior's to the play offs. Don't feel confidence at all that Percival will recover this season which is going to be tough to take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brook View Post
    In the one off games you sometimes have to take risks with your players. In this case it didn't pay off. On the plus side we will see more of Simms now.
    He might give Knowles another go at centre ?.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pramtown View Post
    He might give Knowles another go at centre ?.
    He might... but he'd be stupid too. Knowles is great doing the dirty work in the middle round the ruck. When he's played as 2nd row in the channel, he's looked far from good (and he lose his tireless work in the middle)

    Just play one of the young centres who, you know, are, like, actual centres.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Webbo Again View Post
    He might... but he'd be stupid too. Knowles is great doing the dirty work in the middle round the ruck. When he's played as 2nd row in the channel, he's looked far from good (and he lose his tireless work in the middle)

    Just play one of the young centres who, you know, are, like, actual centres.
    Knowles is a definite 13 and Simm did OK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Webbo Again View Post
    He might... but he'd be stupid too. Knowles is great doing the dirty work in the middle round the ruck. When he's played as 2nd row in the channel, he's looked far from good (and he lose his tireless work in the middle)

    Just play one of the young centres who, you know, are, like, actual centres.
    God forbid us developing a youngster in the position that he was recruited for even if they have the odd representative honour and we're also now short of one. I don't understand some comments that appear to suggest particular positions are sort of makeshift. How many comments do we see about " just move xxx to the wing" or "just move xxx to centre" etc. These positions like all others require particular skills gained over years of development & experience gained. No wonder we struggle at times.

    I believe this is a particular shortcoming of KW and one that needs resolving. I'm resigned this year, trophies or not, to it being a platform year to move on from next year in the hope that the platform is ultimately strong enough to build further from.


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    Get him to a proper specialist, get it operated on and sorted.

    We can’t afford him to keep breaking down during matches, leaving us to reshuffle and lose a sub.


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    Quote Originally Posted by undertheradar View Post
    Get him to a proper specialist, get it operated on and sorted.

    We can’t afford him to keep breaking down during matches, leaving us to reshuffle and lose a sub.


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    Looks as though thats the next direction to take with our medical not able to sort it out, not good for Percival either from a mental point of view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by undertheradar View Post
    Get him to a proper specialist, get it operated on and sorted.

    We can’t afford him to keep breaking down during matches, leaving us to reshuffle and lose a sub.


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    This. And play Simms not that donkey Costello until he right and stop ragging about ffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by undertheradar View Post
    Get him to a proper specialist, get it operated on and sorted.

    We can’t afford him to keep breaking down during matches, leaving us to reshuffle and lose a sub.


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    Undertheradar, I agree with you on needing to get it sorted by landing him on the right person`s desk but we have all heard specialists during this Covid outbreak and there is a major split of opinion on how to treat/contain this virus that does not fill me with confidence.
    Michael Owen says if he was operated on early after the first tear recurrence then he says he would have been okay later on, yet many specialists disagree with surgery as its` success rate is similar to rest & rehab.
    Hope he gets it sorted because as a few have said it is one of the tricky problems that can stagnate an athlete`s career.
    Scully saw numerous experts reference his knee yet the first surgery micro fracture was not what was causing the problem, months in a cast, then months of rehab, then only being able to run straight lines getting told it is as good as it will ever be, then a surgeon spotting a different solution same months of surgery, rehab then a successful return, then achilles injury all because a back problem was not spotted and treated earlier in his career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallaght Tiger View Post
    Undertheradar, I agree with you on needing to get it sorted by landing him on the right person`s desk but we have all heard specialists during this Covid outbreak and there is a major split of opinion on how to treat/contain this virus that does not fill me with confidence.
    Michael Owen says if he was operated on early after the first tear recurrence then he says he would have been okay later on, yet many specialists disagree with surgery as its` success rate is similar to rest & rehab.
    Hope he gets it sorted because as a few have said it is one of the tricky problems that can stagnate an athlete`s career.
    Scully saw numerous experts reference his knee yet the first surgery micro fracture was not what was causing the problem, months in a cast, then months of rehab, then only being able to run straight lines getting told it is as good as it will ever be, then a surgeon spotting a different solution same months of surgery, rehab then a successful return, then achilles injury all because a back problem was not spotted and treated earlier in his career.
    Frightening to think what a player he would have been with an early diagnosis.

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    It's nothing new with Percival though, is it. When he is fit and on song, he is great, but the trade-off is that he can be injury prone. It's tricky though, as we cannot really afford to have a top quality replacement sat on the bench in this day and age, so once he is injured we are immediately impacted.

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    I think with the way this season is going, we should possibly look to sit him out for the rest of the season.

    If we keep pushing him , he will just keep getting injured and it will only get worse in the long run.

    I know he is a important part of our attacking line, but I would rather he was able to have a longer healing period and be fit for next season.

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    https://www.sthelensstar.co.uk/news/...engthy-period/

    Apparently the specialists are confident they've got to the bottom of the cause of injury and he is to have surgery and be out for 8-10 weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EddieVonEagle View Post
    https://www.sthelensstar.co.uk/news/...engthy-period/

    Apparently the specialists are confident they've got to the bottom of the cause of injury and he is to have surgery and be out for 8-10 weeks.

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    Despite the long lay off it does sound positive in a way, good opportunity for Simm to settle into the team and develop at Superleague standard level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STIDDY View Post
    Despite the long lay off it does sound positive in a way, good opportunity for Simm to settle into the team and develop at Superleague standard level.
    Looking forward to seeing Simm get an extended run out. Rest Percy till next season now,under no circumstances try and get him back for the final ( if we get there )

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    Quote Originally Posted by brook View Post
    Looking forward to seeing Simm get an extended run out. Rest Percy till next season now,under no circumstances try and get him back for the final ( if we get there )
    I agree it makes sense.


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    Quote Originally Posted by brook View Post
    Looking forward to seeing Simm get an extended run out.
    and a pass other than from acting half in his own 10 metre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STIDDY View Post
    Despite the long lay off it does sound positive in a way, good opportunity for Simm to settle into the team and develop at Superleague standard level.
    Good result on the face of it as you say Percival gets himself sorted & development time for a fresh face, everything to like about this obvious plan. I hope nobody changes it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkieTalkie View Post
    Good result on the face of it as you say Percival gets himself sorted & development time for a fresh face, everything to like about this obvious plan. I hope nobody changes it.


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    You mean Woolfe playing Costello/Bentley/Peyroux/LMS instead of Simm?

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