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    Quote Originally Posted by pramtown View Post
    Will the coach have a bit of a different game plan against wigan. Shirley he can’t stick with the give it to Walmsley and hope he powers over ?.
    Let Walmsley and Thompson run them down the middle and Makinson smash them on kick returns, can’t fail surely? (Shirley)
    Forwards win games. The backs decide by how much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Wee Waa Womble View Post
    Let Walmsley and Thompson run them down the middle and Makinson smash them on kick returns, can’t fail surely? (Shirley)
    Didn’t know Thompson was back! Great news!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RJM25R View Post
    Didn’t know Thompson was back! Great news!!!!
    I hear Makinson has been let off the last week of his ban too, perfect for a year old tactic that will definitely work again!
    Forwards win games. The backs decide by how much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reacher View Post
    The one they are excited about at Wigan is Matty Nicholson. Back row/loose forward. Was nailed on to sign for Leeds and Wigan managed to get him.


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    The one area Im hoping Saints have sussed is back row. We look pretty much set in the backs with Welsby, Dodd etc but a couple of back rowers would be nice. Not sure if there are any prospects at all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eddiewaringsflatcap View Post
    The one area Im hoping Saints have sussed is back row. We look pretty much set in the backs with Welsby, Dodd etc but a couple of back rowers would be nice. Not sure if there are any prospects at all?
    People were talking about youngster Bailey Pemberton at one time pre lockdown, not seen him play but I believe he is now being developed in the pack and has half back ball handling skills (rugby wise). Another one is Wingfield not seen him play either but is in the full squad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STIDDY View Post
    People were talking about youngster Bailey Pemberton at one time pre lockdown, not seen him play but I believe he is now being developed in the pack and has half back ball handling skills (rugby wise). Another one is Wingfield not seen him play either but is in the full squad.




    Would that be Taylor Pemberton the half back ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wirefox View Post
    Would that be Taylor Pemberton the half back ?
    Yes I meant Taylor Pemberton I heard he had gone into the forward pack. Seem to remember the club making a statement about him last season potential wise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STIDDY View Post
    Yes I meant Taylor Pemberton I heard he had gone into the forward pack. Seem to remember the club making a statement about him last season potential wise.




    If we had a real ball handling forward that would be unique.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STIDDY View Post
    Yes I meant Taylor Pemberton I heard he had gone into the forward pack. Seem to remember the club making a statement about him last season potential wise.
    Converting HBs to BackRows ? seems strange.

    While the likes of Jermarie Chatham slip through the net.

    Not sure what's happening at Academy level.

    It seems either all the football has been coached out of them ala Costello
    or are constantly deemed not ready Simm/Dodd.

    Developing a cohort of forwards with size and physicality
    and exciting outside backs with pace who can make a break(bar Simm), seems to have stalled.

    Our championship radar also seems to have been turned off.
    Remember Wilkin saying in an interview he gave Wellens the heads up
    re Matty Ashton but we were too late. Do we have scouts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerry Mander View Post
    Converting HBs to BackRows ? seems strange.

    While the likes of Jermarie Chatham slip through the net.

    Not sure what's happening at Academy level.

    It seems either all the football has been coached out of them ala Costello
    or are constantly deemed not ready Simm/Dodd.

    Developing a cohort of forwards with size and physicality
    and exciting outside backs with pace who can make a break(bar Simm), seems to have stalled.

    Our championship radar also seems to have been turned off.
    Remember Wilkin saying in an interview he gave Wellens the heads up
    re Matty Ashton but we were too late. Do we have scouts?
    Its quite difficult to predict where a player will end up position wise, we have had quite a few players who were initially half backs and ended up elsewhere.....Cunningham, Wellens, Swift, Moore, Roby come to mind. Our latest trio of youngsters in Simm/Dodd/Welsby are a bit different Simm has played mostly at centre, Dodd at scrum half but Welsby has played every position in the backline and as a loose forward in the Academy.

    I should imagine Covid has knocked us back on the scouting issue like every other club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerry Mander View Post
    Converting HBs to BackRows ? seems strange.

    While the likes of Jermarie Chatham slip through the net.

    Not sure what's happening at Academy level.

    It seems either all the football has been coached out of them ala Costello
    or are constantly deemed not ready Simm/Dodd.

    Developing a cohort of forwards with size and physicality
    and exciting outside backs with pace who can make a break(bar Simm), seems to have stalled.

    Our championship radar also seems to have been turned off.
    Remember Wilkin saying in an interview he gave Wellens the heads up
    re Matty Ashton but we were too late. Do we have scouts?
    This seems an odd reading of things to me.

    What makes you say that Costello has had the football coached out of him? Isn’t it more likely that he just isn’t that much of a footballer?

    Dodd and Simm are 18 and 19 respectively. It’s not as if they’ve been left on the scrap heap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dux View Post
    This seems an odd reading of things to me.

    What makes you say that Costello has had the football coached out of him? IsnÂ’t it more likely that he just isnÂ’t that much of a footballer?

    Dodd and Simm are 18 and 19 respectively. ItÂ’s not as if theyÂ’ve been left on the scrap heap.
    Understand the question.

    More a general point

    I don't see similar steady eddie fringe players at the likes of Wigan,Leeds,Wire.

    Costello was the championship players of the season in 2018? at fullback.
    Now he is Matty Fleming. I suppose if he was never much of a footballer
    why keep him so long?

    If there is an injury then Costello is dropped in without hesitation.
    This contrasts strongly with the approach to Simm.

    The season has shown departure of Swift has left a gap. The new rules
    mean that the value of pace in the backs has increased.

    Should always be in the market for the next Grace or Ashton via the Academy and Championship.

    The likes of Jermarie Chatham is a miss IMO.


    Think you and the other poster are right players change position as they grow / develop.

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    A conundrum to deal with is that some young players look great early on as they matured quicker than others. Some catch up late and sometimes overtake the young superstar who based his game on being bigger and bolder than his mates. It's up to the coaching staff to manage these changing dynamics as they progress as sometimes the pecking order needs a tweak. They can only do that if there's genuine interest in their development and this has to come from the top down. This is a problem for us as it stands.


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    Amor Bourouh? Taylor/Bailey Pemberton? Jermarie Chatham?

    Are these actual real people, or am I being whooshed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Webbo Again View Post
    Amor Bourouh? Taylor/Bailey Pemberton? Jermarie Chatham?

    Are these actual real people, or am I being whooshed?
    Your just showing your age. Must admit, I thought those 5 names were 5 different people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rubber duckie View Post
    Agree with Angry Dave. If ‘Luck’ exists, it would be where preparation meets ability.

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    Quack quack

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    Quote Originally Posted by rubber duckie View Post
    Agree with Angry Dave. If ‘Luck’ exists, it would be where preparation meets ability.
    Pity you didn't prepare for Joey Lussick's scoots. He's done that before you know

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