Jungle Out There Banner
Page 4 of 11 FirstFirst 12345678 ... LastLast
Results 76 to 100 of 261

Thread: Tommy Makinson

  1. #76
    Learning All The Songs SaintJon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Posts
    1,134
    Rep Power
    16

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Side Of The Moon View Post
    No intent whatsoever , I wouldn’t even call it reckless. Yes he grabbed his gonads so a punishment should be enforced but it should be within the realms of unintentional accident .

    3 games seems excessive but I’d say fair enough. Anything more I would hope the club would challenge it
    The RFL will have to ban him for the minimum 8 games. Anything less and it sets a dangerous precedent for future incidents. What's annoying for me is that Millington makes an intentional dangerous tackle on Lomax who was without the ball and could have cause a very serious injury and he only gets a 1 game ban.

  2. #77
    WARNING! PIE EATER!

    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Posts
    5,302
    Rep Power
    17

    Default

    Operational Rules.
    See Section, 2.7 Sentencing guidelines 15.1 (i)

    and section 2.8

    https://secure.rugby-league.com/ign_...FINAL%20A5.pdf

  3. #78
    WARNING! PIE EATER!

    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Posts
    5,302
    Rep Power
    17

    Default

    see above.

  4. #79
    Learning All The Songs barry's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Location
    Ashton in Makerfield
    Posts
    1,339
    Rep Power
    9

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Webbo Again View Post
    And did Genkul Benneh Floower only actually miss about 10 games for his cowardly assault on a prone player that ended said player's career? Despite the RFL pretending to throw the book at him with a 6-month ban, knowing full well that nearly 4 months of that were the off-season?
    Don't forget his surgery.

    Sent from my SM-A715F using Tapatalk

  5. #80
    Learning All The Songs Gerry Mander's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Around the Ruck. Winning the Collision.
    Posts
    2,160
    Rep Power
    19

    Default

    Tommy , the club and fans just need to accept that 8 is the tariff and suck it up with both contrition and grace.

  6. #81
    In The North Stand With All The Old Folk paulscnthorpe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    St Helens
    Age
    36
    Posts
    7,664
    Rep Power
    25

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogues Gallery View Post
    Operational Rules.
    See Section, 2.7 Sentencing guidelines 15.1 (i)

    and section 2.8

    https://secure.rugby-league.com/ign_...FINAL%20A5.pdf
    2.9 however says they can step out of guidelines. I do feel however this is a dangerous precedent

    2.9 NORMAL SUSPENSION RANGES – "GUIDELINES ONLY
    Players and Clubs should be aware that the normal suspension ranges are guidelines
    only and the Tribunal has the discretion to step outside of the normal ranges in the
    following three circumstances:
    ..If the Tribunal feels that in the light of the aggravating and mitigating factors
    present it is appropriate to step outside of the normal suspension range
    (irrespective of whether this has been requested by the Compliance Manager)...
    "

    Take the eight matches and he's back for any finals or playoffs

  7. #82
    Starting A Programme Collection greggo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Posts
    550
    Rep Power
    13

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogues Gallery View Post
    see above.
    Go away or explain why ben flower missed going to jail you are a trouble maker

  8. #83
    In The South Stand
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Posts
    2,767
    Rep Power
    19

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by The Yellow Giraffe View Post
    Coote
    Naiqama
    Simm
    Bentley
    Grace

    That would be my pick.

    Simm is 19, he isn't a baby. And if Woolf doesn't trust him over Costello against the likes of Hull KR (with all due respect) then there's something up.
    Costello over Simm right now, Costello has the benefit of having played in the team already so knows how the other team members play. Also is aware of the physical side of the game having played against some quality opponents. Simm will no doubt have his chance,but probably not this season.

  9. #84
    Starting A Programme Collection
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Posts
    611
    Rep Power
    14

    Default

    Surely by now u know why ,he plays for wigan , the RFL didn’t so craftily. ,6 month but it was of season for 4 month so only hit him with a few games. This for a coward who finished someone’s career, dirty Wigan •••••••... If this had been done of a rugby field he would have got a jail sentence, and he thoroughly deserved it...

  10. #85
    Starting A Programme Collection
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Posts
    611
    Rep Power
    14

    Default Bans

    Surely by now u know why ,he plays for wigan , the RFL didn’t so craftily. ,6 month but it was of season for 4 month so only hit him with a few games. This for a coward who finished someone’s career, dirty Wigan •••••••... If this had been done of a rugby field he would have got a jail sentence, and he thoroughly deserved it...

  11. #86
    Starting A Programme Collection
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    956
    Rep Power
    13

    Default

    [QUOTE=mr chips If this had been done of a rugby field he would have got a jail sentence, and he thoroughly deserved it...[/QUOTE]


    If Tommy did this off a rugby field he could be seen as a sexual deviant & registered as such.
    He has not been found guilty but charged, let`s wait until he pleads his case.

  12. #87
    Starting A Programme Collection
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Posts
    611
    Rep Power
    14

    Default

    Big difference about someone finishing a mans at what he did the thug, honestly think u are willing the panel to give him the maximum. Big diff in what was done adult say tommy could have been charged but we all know it wasn’t malicious , were flowers was just thuggery..

  13. #88
    Starting A Programme Collection
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    956
    Rep Power
    13

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by mr chips View Post
    Big difference about someone finishing a mans at what he did the thug, honestly think u are willing the panel to give him the maximum. Big diff in what was done adult say tommy could have been charged but we all know it wasn’t malicious , were flowers was just thuggery..
    Yep two completely different things, violence is tolerated on a Rugby field, it is almost a prerequisite, thuggery is punished.
    Non consenting sexual acts are punished and certainly not tolerated on a Rugby field and rightly less so in society.
    Tommy has not been found guilty of anything at the moment, let`s wait and see what happens. I hope he is found innocent.

  14. #89
    Got A Season Ticket
    Join Date
    Apr 2017
    Posts
    210
    Rep Power
    4

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by SaintJon View Post
    The RFL will have to ban him for the minimum 8 games. Anything less and it sets a dangerous precedent for future incidents. What's annoying for me is that Millington makes an intentional dangerous tackle on Lomax who was without the ball and could have cause a very serious injury and he only gets a 1 game ban.
    I can understand your points entirely . It’s one of those situation when the punishments is both
    harsh and fair at the same time . A pure accident ( in my opinion ) but has committed an offence . I don’t recall any on field complaint being made which I guess may hold some weight in TM favour .

    The tackle on Lomax was a shocker and should be dealt with , with equal measure to TM

  15. #90
    Got A Season Ticket
    Join Date
    Apr 2017
    Posts
    210
    Rep Power
    4

    Default

    I have lost faith in humanity . My god . Admin please delete this post

  16. #91
    Got A Season Ticket
    Join Date
    Apr 2017
    Posts
    210
    Rep Power
    4

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Tallaght Tiger View Post
    If Tommy did this off a rugby field he could be seen as a sexual deviant & registered as such.
    He has not been found guilty but charged, let`s wait until he pleads his case.
    .

  17. #92
    In The North Stand With All The Old Folk Scouse Don's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    Blatherings on 13 Pro-Am podcast.Back home in St.Helens and in the South stand for service
    Posts
    8,272
    Rep Power
    27

    Default

    We will all have to take our medicine on this and move on. No square pegs in round holes for me winger and centre from reserves/academy need to be blooded and played. Welsby,Costello,Simm et al time to step up.
    Learned comment from The Don

  18. #93
    Got A Season Ticket JBT's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Location
    Haydock
    Posts
    198
    Rep Power
    6

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Side Of The Moon View Post
    I can understand your points entirely . It’s one of those situation when the punishments is both
    harsh and fair at the same time . A pure accident ( in my opinion ) but has committed an offence . I don’t recall any on field complaint being made which I guess may hold some weight in TM favour .

    The tackle on Lomax was a shocker and should be dealt with , with equal measure to TM
    Accident?? Give me a break!
    Jordan "B**tard" Turner!

  19. #94
    Got A Season Ticket
    Join Date
    Apr 2017
    Posts
    210
    Rep Power
    4

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by JBT View Post
    Accident?? Give me a break!
    Have as many breaks as you want squire , I will have my ‘ opinion’ in the same way you can have yours !

  20. #95
    In The North Stand With All The Old Folk fishy3005's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    earth
    Posts
    9,782
    Rep Power
    23

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by JBT View Post
    Accident?? Give me a break!
    You’re not kiddin. He had more strokes than Kirk Douglas.
    screaming in the family corner, scaring the kiddies

  21. #96
    Got A Season Ticket JBT's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Location
    Haydock
    Posts
    198
    Rep Power
    6

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Side Of The Moon View Post
    Have as many breaks as you want squire , I will have my ‘ opinion’ in the same way you can have yours !
    There's no opinion here, it's fact - what he did, how long he did it for, it was no accident at all! Knew exactly what he was doing - an accident would have been him putting his hand in that area as he was fighting to get out of the tackle (no pun intended) and pulling it away immediately as soon as he felt what he felt.

    Suggest you try it in the changing room next time you go the gym or play any kind of sport, and offer the accident explanation, see what happens.
    Jordan "B**tard" Turner!

  22. #97
    In The South Stand Tabasco's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Rivington Road, St Helens
    Posts
    2,532
    Rep Power
    17

    Default

    I can’t see Makinson getting away without a ban but there might be some clemency on the basis that the Disciplinary Panel consider the action to have not been premeditated or an attempt to inflict pain. and actually almost accidental contact. I can’t imagine anyone trying to be aggressive in such a manner when face down with the opponent on top of you, especially when he has a history of retaliation. Moreover, I think you can deduce that the grip was light given that Watts showed neither any pain nor inclination to exact revenge.

  23. #98
    Starting A Programme Collection
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    Bury
    Posts
    855
    Rep Power
    0

    Default

    Can't see anything but an 8 game ban even though he has a very good past record. Don't know what possessed him to do it.

  24. #99
    In The South Stand STIDDY's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2016
    Location
    Kingdom of Wigoon
    Posts
    4,379
    Rep Power
    11

    Default

    Thought the Leon Pryce grab + squeeze version was worse and with more intent than the Makinson one, Pryce got 3 matches for his but the sentencing guidelines have become tougher since then.

    Still going to be interesting the explanation he gives to the panel, was he groping for something to get off the floor to play the ball (rugby). Wishful thinking but I get the feeling he won't get the full 8 matches.

  25. #100
    In The South Stand Webbo Again's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2014
    Location
    Refugee from the fascist state of RLFans
    Posts
    4,106
    Rep Power
    15

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Side Of The Moon View Post
    I can understand your points entirely . It’s one of those situation when the punishments is both
    harsh and fair at the same time . A pure accident ( in my opinion ) but has committed an offence . I don’t recall any on field complaint being made which I guess may hold some weight in TM favour .

    The tackle on Lomax was a shocker and should be dealt with , with equal measure to TM

    I tend to lean towards it being an accident. It's like he's trying to push Watts off but the way the two are positioned, TM makes contact with his 'frank & beans'.

    What will count against TM is that his hand then looks to close around Watts' package and stays like that for a few seconds.

    What should provide some mitigation is that TM is clearly unsighted and doesn't appear to squeeze. He could claim he wasn't initially aware of what he'd grabbed and was struggling to get up with two 16 stone blokes on top of him, but let go as soon as it dawned on him what he was hold of.

    I think he'll get the full 8 games because it's become high profile. But what he's done is miles away from the way some other players have grabbed another player's plums to cause pain.

    What might be crucial is if Watts provides a statement of support to TM. This would be the sporting thing to do but I think a bit of bad blood towards Saints has developed with Cas.
    I f*cking hate wi*an. And rugby yawnion. And Tories. And Brexit f*ckwits.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •