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    Quote Originally Posted by 49er View Post
    The big question is assuming (he will) Tommy gets a ban. I understand it’s a straight 8 game ban if guilty.Who takes his place? Unless I’m mistaken we don’t have a 3rd genuine winger. His middle work will be greatly missed as much as his try scoring. A long period with a makeshift winger is not ideal at all.
    Costello to Centre and Simms to the wing maybe?

    Naiqama has played on the wing before, but would be bold going with a young, inexperienced centre pairing.

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    That would be my pick.

    Simm is 19, he isn't a baby. And if Woolf doesn't trust him over Costello against the likes of Hull KR (with all due respect) then there's something up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Yellow Giraffe View Post
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    That would be my pick.

    Simm is 19, he isn't a baby. And if Woolf doesn't trust him over Costello against the likes of Hull KR (with all due respect) then there's something up.
    To be fair Hull KR have 2 handy centres in Kane Linnet and Kenny Dowall. I think Woolf May go on the conservative side and play Bentley left centre with Costello replacing Makinson if he gets a ban.

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    Been charged with grade f

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Yellow Giraffe View Post
    Coote
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    That would be my pick.

    Simm is 19, he isn't a baby. And if Woolf doesn't trust him over Costello against the likes of Hull KR (with all due respect) then there's something up.
    Does it also depend on if we have Peyroux back? I know Bentley does a centres job but I would like him in his rightful position that both he and KW have agreed he is best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by St Willy View Post
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    Grade F is 8 games minimum, I can see him pleading to grade E getting between 4 and 6 on the grounds that he couldn't see what he was gripping at first! and it wasn't intentional

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    We could easily put Batchelor into 2nd row or centre as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 49er View Post
    Does it also depend on if we have Peyroux back? I know Bentley does a centres job but I would like him in his rightful position that both he and KW have agreed he is best.
    And here lies the problem potentially same as before. We have a squad to provide cover and gain experience to develop and so improve the squad. If KW doesn't play players in their speciality position with both MP and TM out then I really will be highly ••••ed off. Yet we can all see it about to happen again. Bentley plays very well so move him. Welsby who had a shocker of a period in centre and full back so play him. Costello according to many has no future at a top club so play him. Yes I can see it playing out like this for sure. KW in spite of winning a couple of games (against weakened opposition) is still wrong for Saints, I've no time for him and he'll potentially ruin the future of some of our young rising starlets. Get rid.


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    Quote Originally Posted by St Willy View Post
    Been charged with grade f

    Of course he has.

    I think the RFL probably had little choice - but if they were to feel lenient, it wouldn't be toward a Saints player.

    The hope, I guess, is that he's able to plea-bargain a lesser offence. But if the RFL are intent on the grade F or nothing, then only a technicality would save him.
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    Whatever, I'd rather see Costello in for Percival, with Simm on the wing outside of Naiqama.
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    It seems unfair really when you think that the BMM offence almost broke English’s jaw and he will probably get two games. English didn’t play for the rest of the game. The grab on Watts had no effect on him whatsoever and Tommy will get 8 matches. I’m not saying what he did was ok but you’d think there’d be more parity with the punishment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saintgeorge View Post
    It seems unfair really when you think that the BMM offence almost broke English’s jaw and he will probably get two games. English didn’t play for the rest of the game. The grab on Watts had no effect on him whatsoever and Tommy will get 8 matches. I’m not saying what he did was ok but you’d think there’d be more parity with the punishment.
    And did Genkul Benneh Floower only actually miss about 10 games for his cowardly assault on a prone player that ended said player's career? Despite the RFL pretending to throw the book at him with a 6-month ban, knowing full well that nearly 4 months of that were the off-season?
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    Quote Originally Posted by saintgeorge View Post
    It seems unfair really when you think that the BMM offence almost broke English’s jaw and he will probably get two games. English didn’t play for the rest of the game. The grab on Watts had no effect on him whatsoever and Tommy will get 8 matches. I’m not saying what he did was ok but you’d think there’d be more parity with the punishment.
    I see where your coming from but at the end of the day, hes grabbed someones genitals. Lads being lads think it's funny and laugh it off, but in this day and age those outside of the sport would deem it sexual assault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by St Willy View Post
    I see where your coming from but at the end of the day, hes grabbed someones genitals. Lads being lads think it's funny and laugh it off, but in this day and age those outside of the sport would deem it sexual assault.

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    I take your point but does anyone in their right mind think that TM was perpetrating a “sexual assault” on Watts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by saintgeorge View Post
    It seems unfair really when you think that the BMM offence almost broke English’s jaw and he will probably get two games. English didn’t play for the rest of the game. The grab on Watts had no effect on him whatsoever and Tommy will get 8 matches. I’m not saying what he did was ok but you’d think there’d be more parity with the punishment.
    Not sure the two are even related -
    I get a smack in the jaw either playing or not playing its seen as a natural act by most males
    I get grabbed by the goolies - firstly it probably hurts more (definitely has the capacity to hurt more) and isnt acceptable in pretty much any standard way that you want to look at it - not only that its a grub thing to do.
    Thats why the sentence is potentially so high

    I dont think that Tommy set out to do that (unlike when Leon Pryce did it) as he would have put more force into it, he is probably trying to grab something that gives him some more stability and stopping him being dominated in the tackle. He realised exactly what it was he had hold of and then let go - but by then its too late. But at this point he can only plead guilty with mitigating circumstances - its not like he can say he didnt do it.

    He can only now rely on his previous good conduct, and the fact it was accidental - I would be surprised if he got 8 matches - but he is at the least looking at 4

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    Quote Originally Posted by saintgeorge View Post
    I take your point but does anyone in their right mind think that TM was perpetrating a “sexual assault” on Watts?
    I dont personally. Accidental contact to me but I cant see the RFL using common sense. Nothing in it for me

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    Quote Originally Posted by saintgeorge View Post
    I take your point but does anyone in their right mind think that TM was perpetrating a “sexual assault” on Watts?
    No absolutely not, but as St. Willy (ironic eh!) says in this day and age it is unacceptable. I do not know Tommy but his character seems to be grounded and humble, he has yet to be found guilty so we do not know his version.
    The comparisons with Ben Flower are that if Flower was not playing a game of rugby a prison sentence may have been issued, the same could potentially apply here.

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    Can anyone remember how many matches Leon got for Ballgate with Sam Burgess? I think 6 but may be wrong. Leon definitely knew what he was doing as well. Tommy wasn’t looking but it was reckless to say the least and he should get a ban.

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    when will his punishment be announced?

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    Quote Originally Posted by snellinmo View Post
    Can anyone remember how many matches Leon got for Ballgate with Sam Burgess? I think 6 but may be wrong. Leon definitely knew what he was doing as well. Tommy wasn’t looking but it was reckless to say the least and he should get a ban.
    Not sure but Joe Marler got a 10 week ban in union for a similar offence on Alun Wyn Jones

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    Quote Originally Posted by snellinmo View Post
    Can anyone remember how many matches Leon got for Ballgate with Sam Burgess? I think 6 but may be wrong. Leon definitely knew what he was doing as well. Tommy wasn’t looking but it was reckless to say the least and he should get a ban.
    3 games apparently
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    Quote Originally Posted by st. etrigan View Post
    I'll take that. From what I remember, it looked alot more intentional too

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    No intent whatsoever , I wouldn’t even call it reckless. Yes he grabbed his gonads so a punishment should be enforced but it should be within the realms of unintentional accident .

    3 games seems excessive but I’d say fair enough. Anything more I would hope the club would challenge it

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    Oh, how times change!



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