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    Quote Originally Posted by Sainthood View Post
    Could Phil Clarke be any more partisan anti-Saints? Doesn't even try to conceal it these days. One thing I'd commend Sky on though is the crowd noise, it's really developed for Rugby League. They can't get it right for football, and watching Fulham v Arsenal now, the crowd noise is all over the place.
    Personally found his Anti Saints bias was at its worst when he was tipping Welsby to be a world class player and future man of steel.

    Seriously though Clarke is just a wind up merchant. He chats garbage for garbages sake and comes up with stats that are so obscure no one bothers to fact check. If there is actually a record kept about no one being as good as Cas at scoring from within the 34-37 yard area on the 4th tackle of an odd number of sets in the 2nd half of games away from home.

    Man is a bore.

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    I don’t get why people like Rea as a commentator, personally. He does speak some sense but I find him a bit dull.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knowsleyroaders View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dux View Post
    I don’t get why people like Rea as a commentator, personally. He does speak some sense but I find him a bit dull.
    I have enjoyed him when he has been used as a HT or after game analyst, but yesterday listening to during the game, I thought he just droned on in the same monotone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belgian Saint View Post
    I have enjoyed him when he has been used as a HT or after game analyst, but yesterday listening to during the game, I thought he just droned on in the same monotone.
    Belgian they all offer a bit of difference as analysts, most would soon tire of their comments as there is only so much you can offer every week. It is a breath of fresh air compared to some of the antics and comments the comfortable crew use but we desperately need a good in-match commentator.
    Judging by how many different combinations have been used a decent commentator may be rarer than we all think.
    The cutting to sidelines, replays or coaches expressions during restarts is annoying as it is sometimes two tackles later when they return to the live game, that is something they can fix.
    Brian Carney would be a good commentator but who presents?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallaght Tiger View Post
    Belgian they all offer a bit of difference as analysts, most would soon tire of their comments as there is only so much you can offer every week. It is a breath of fresh air compared to some of the antics and comments the comfortable crew use but we desperately need a good in-match commentator.
    Judging by how many different combinations have been used a decent commentator may be rarer than we all think.
    The cutting to sidelines, replays or coaches expressions during restarts is annoying as it is sometimes two tackles later when they return to the live game, that is something they can fix.
    Brian Carney would be a good commentator but who presents?
    I pretty much agree with you. Carney as a commentator, I don't know. He is far more eloquent and fluent in his speech than the others, but as you say commentating is a different skill. I am not to disappointed when Ben Proe comments, he is far better than Pyke and Arthur.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belgian Saint View Post
    I pretty much agree with you. Carney as a commentator, I don't know. He is far more eloquent and fluent in his speech than the others, but as you say commentating is a different skill. I am not to disappointed when Ben Proe comments, he is far better than Pyke and Arthur.

    Pyke is pretty good, it’s just his voice that’s a struggle.

    Perhaps when he finally finishes that family bag of Worthers he’ll come good....
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    Quote Originally Posted by RJM25R View Post
    Pyke is pretty good, it’s just his voice that’s a struggle.

    Perhaps when he finally finishes that family bag of Worthers he’ll come good....

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    Quote Originally Posted by RJM25R View Post
    Pyke is pretty good, it’s just his voice that’s a struggle.

    Perhaps when he finally finishes that family bag of Worthers he’ll come good....
    Best comment I heard about it: "He always sounds like he's breaking in a new set of teeth for somebody."


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    As an aside to the game tonight I thought Jodie Cunningham was excellent on Pie Sports. I know having someone semi-articulate is a novelty for Sky but she put a lot of the experienced 'personalities' to shame tonight I think. Listening to her talking after the game she seems massively enthusiastic about the sport without the hyperbolic and faux sensationalist nonsense from the other clowns. Seems we've got a good egg there

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    Quote Originally Posted by Private Pyle View Post
    As an aside to the game tonight I thought Jodie Cunningham was excellent on Pie Sports. I know having someone semi-articulate is a novelty for Sky but she put a lot of the experienced 'personalities' to shame tonight I think. Listening to her talking after the game she seems massively enthusiastic about the sport without the hyperbolic and faux sensationalist nonsense from the other clowns. Seems we've got a good egg there
    I thought she was alright, certainly no worse than anyone else and is still very new to the role She is also clearly enthusiastic about the game which is a bonus but I don't think she offered any ground breaking analysis but saying that none of them do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Private Pyle View Post
    As an aside to the game tonight I thought Jodie Cunningham was excellent on Pie Sports. I know having someone semi-articulate is a novelty for Sky but she put a lot of the experienced 'personalities' to shame tonight I think. Listening to her talking after the game she seems massively enthusiastic about the sport without the hyperbolic and faux sensationalist nonsense from the other clowns. Seems we've got a good egg there
    Cannot agree with you on that, it seems like a token effort to even up the gender equality gap. As has been mentioned before there is only so many comparison comments can be made, her enthusiasm is obvious but that would soon become tedious, the guests have all added a little more to the presentation however that was not difficult from the low starting position.
    Ben Proe was dreadful tonight numerous players and team wrong calls, a decent commentator must be difficult to find as we are trying lots of combinations with limited results.

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    Jodie is a great ambassador for the sport. She plays as she talks, got to be the best female fullback I have seen play the game, serious defence. Great personality for the sport.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Private Pyle View Post
    As an aside to the game tonight I thought Jodie Cunningham was excellent on Pie Sports. I know having someone semi-articulate is a novelty for Sky but she put a lot of the experienced 'personalities' to shame tonight I think. Listening to her talking after the game she seems massively enthusiastic about the sport without the hyperbolic and faux sensationalist nonsense from the other clowns. Seems we've got a good egg there
    Not too difficult to look at either which is surprising given she also plays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Private Pyle View Post
    As an aside to the game tonight I thought Jodie Cunningham was excellent on Pie Sports. I know having someone semi-articulate is a novelty for Sky but she put a lot of the experienced 'personalities' to shame tonight I think. Listening to her talking after the game she seems massively enthusiastic about the sport without the hyperbolic and faux sensationalist nonsense from the other clowns. Seems we've got a good egg there
    Jodie Cunningham has potential to be a decent member of the commentary team. She is in need of training and coaching from PR specialists and if she is to become permanent she will have to lose the bias which we associate with the likes of Clarke et al. She made a faux pas tonight when she talked about Saints being focused for the match - twice she said that Saints “will not be taking their foot off the throat” Oops!
    Clarke was more pathetic than usual with his suggestion it was a strong Wigan team which could repeat the result from 17 years ago. Clown. He talked as if the Wigan youngsters were all great players now. He needs to go.

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    I am increasingly muting the sound when watching games on SKY. Not one decent commentator/summariser

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    I think there are two sides the their presentation, one is very good, one is very poor.

    Clarke and Carney pre and post match are generally okay, you may not agree with every point they make but their discussion is reasonable, not deliberately controversial, but also ask some good questions of the game. I also like listening to their guests, Wilkin, McGuire, Hanley have all been interesting to hear, Cunningham last night was good too. However I think having a rotation is spot on.

    The flip side is the commentary is shocking, they just can't seem to get it right, they're almost trying to be like the cricket commentators, but it doesn't work when it's not five days.

    The commentators don't work, Arthur and Proe constantly get the names wrong and any excitement seems forced, Pyke I don't mind, but again struggles to hit the peaks of the game. Mark Wilson has done the odd game, and possibly deserves a chance. If I would say anything it's probably too cluttered, we have Commentator, O Connor, McDermott, then Clarke and sometimes John Wells chipping in.

    I'm still gutted I didn't hear the end of Clarke's story about Wigan on a Tuesday night

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    They kept on getting Knowles + Simm wrong and they go way OTT with Hanley and Dodd. Also thought Carney was in one of his anti saints moods with his underdogs perspective. Jodie spoke with a bit more reality and more balanced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulscnthorpe View Post
    I think there are two sides the their presentation, one is very good, one is very poor.

    Clarke and Carney pre and post match are generally okay, you may not agree with every point they make but their discussion is reasonable, not deliberately controversial, but also ask some good questions of the game. I also like listening to their guests, Wilkin, McGuire, Hanley have all been interesting to hear, Cunningham last night was good too. However I think having a rotation is spot on.

    The flip side is the commentary is shocking, they just can't seem to get it right, they're almost trying to be like the cricket commentators, but it doesn't work when it's not five days.

    The commentators don't work, Arthur and Proe constantly get the names wrong and any excitement seems forced, Pyke I don't mind, but again struggles to hit the peaks of the game. Mark Wilson has done the odd game, and possibly deserves a chance. If I would say anything it's probably too cluttered, we have Commentator, O Connor, McDermott, then Clarke and sometimes John Wells chipping in.

    I'm still gutted I didn't hear the end of Clarke's story about Wigan on a Tuesday night
    I don’t like Clarke and Barrie and Terry, there bias for Wigan and Warrington is obvious to see. All I heard last night was about the Warrington kids this and that and didn’t really mention Salford had sent out a second team on the whole. And then we had Wigan kids this and that and bigging Hanley up before he was even on the field. I was glad when Grace rounded him with ease just so the commentators shut up about him.

    I’m sick of the anti saints bias that sky puts out there. Only Wells of the sky main team hasn’t played for Wigan but even he shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near a Castleford game on sky considering the role he has with the club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paraman View Post
    I don’t like Clarke and Barrie and Terry, there bias for Wigan and Warrington is obvious to see. All I heard last night was about the Warrington kids this and that and didn’t really mention Salford had sent out a second team on the whole. And then we had Wigan kids this and that and bigging Hanley up before he was even on the field. I was glad when Grace rounded him with ease just so the commentators shut up about him.

    I’m sick of the anti saints bias that sky puts out there. Only Wells of the sky main team hasn’t played for Wigan but even he shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near a Castleford game on sky considering the role he has with the club.
    Wells is a strange one, because the others keep bringing up his role at Cas but the average viewer tuning in wouldn't (IMO) have a clue about his day job from listening to him. Sky are daft for allowing Carney and the others to keep mentioning it, but they probably assume Cas are so small fry that nobody cares. And in theory, there is no conflict of interest in a fella working for a club and then having a gig in the media. He isn't influencing anything other than a narrative on tv, and in Wells' case I don't think he really does.

    I will make the caveat that I haven't watched anything but Saints since the re-start so if he's gone full rogue in the last 2 months I'll take it all back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gray77 View Post
    Wells is a strange one, because the others keep bringing up his role at Cas but the average viewer tuning in wouldn't (IMO) have a clue about his day job from listening to him. Sky are daft for allowing Carney and the others to keep mentioning it, but they probably assume Cas are so small fry that nobody cares. And in theory, there is no conflict of interest in a fella working for a club and then having a gig in the media. He isn't influencing anything other than a narrative on tv, and in Wells' case I don't think he really does.

    I will make the caveat that I haven't watched anything but Saints since the re-start so if he's gone full rogue in the last 2 months I'll take it all back.
    I understand what your saying but it’s like having Marcel Brands being part of a sky presenting team on an Everton match, it wouldn’t happen on sky in football so why allow it in rugby league.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paraman View Post
    I understand what your saying but it’s like having Marcel Brands being part of a sky presenting team on an Everton match, it wouldn’t happen on sky in football so why allow it in rugby league.
    But on the flip side of that Sky's two main football pundits, Carragher and Neville, have obvious club loyalties, and the coverage makes a virtue of it rather than trying to hide it. Likewise MOTD when Shearer talks about Newcastle or Lineker about Leicester. Of course Phil Clarke is a pie-eater through and through - he's from Wigan and both he and his dad both played for the club - but I don't think it really makes that much difference to what he says - he was quite categorical in stating that Saints are the best team in SL last night, for example. I'm less bothered about his bias and more about the fact that he contributes little other than farfetched analogies and bogus provocative opinions. Wells does a decent job for me, and I've not yet come across a moment in the coverage where his other job has been a real problem. Everybody who loves the sport supports somebody, at the end of the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dux View Post
    But on the flip side of that Sky's two main football pundits, Carragher and Neville, have obvious club loyalties, and the coverage makes a virtue of it rather than trying to hide it. Likewise MOTD when Shearer talks about Newcastle or Lineker about Leicester. Of course Phil Clarke is a pie-eater through and through - he's from Wigan and both he and his dad both played for the club - but I don't think it really makes that much difference to what he says - he was quite categorical in stating that Saints are the best team in SL last night, for example. I'm less bothered about his bias and more about the fact that he contributes little other than farfetched analogies and bogus provocative opinions. Wells does a decent job for me, and I've not yet come across a moment in the coverage where his other job has been a real problem. Everybody who loves the sport supports somebody, at the end of the day.
    None of the people you have mentioned are currently the director of football of the team they are commentating/presenting on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paraman View Post
    None of the people you have mentioned are currently the director of football of the team they are commentating/presenting on.
    Apart from Wells, who I did mention. And my point is basically that it doesn't make any difference, therefore there is nothing to get wound up about.

    Ps. Gary Neville, co-owner of Salford FC, commentated on Everton vs Salford FC the other day.

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