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    Quote Originally Posted by saintnickle View Post
    I disagree.Welsby has quality players around him now and hasnt done anything to impress me.Bently on the other hand although older, has something to add.Can you tell me there is anthing about Welsbys game that isnt ordinary?
    There is only one quality player around him and that is Lomax who doesn't do much passing plays with him, the likes of Wellens at the start of his career had Long, Martyn, Newlove, Cunningham, Joynt and Sculthorpe for game mentors.

    He's a work in progress if you think he is just going to be ordinary get in touch with Rushy, McManus to reduce his 4 year contract and give Paul Anderson a call and tell him he is too ordinary to be selected for the England Knights squad.

    Stand Off, Scrum Half and Full Back are the most demanding roles because of the very nature of the amount of ball passing through the hands, it will get on my Wick when Dodd gets a sequence of games makes a few errors and some on here get on his back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bostik Bailey View Post
    Indeed, the thing that people are forgetting (and someone else has already pointed out) last year we had two super league backs (Swift and Richardson) not playing regularly. In a salary capped sport we cannot and should not be able to keep them.

    Bring Swift in to cover Tommy then Percy and Richardson to half - Lomax to Full back and it is a vastly different team.
    What we shouldn't have is the ridiculously low salary cap. I can understand both players wanting to move on because they're not playing regularly but it's annoying we "can't" hold onto players because of some stupid rule, especially when it seems others mentioning no team in particular seemingly bend the rules as a norm. We can afford a better squad than Huddersfield, boohoo, but we get brought down to their level because of some rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legman View Post
    I simply don’t understand Welsby at centre, why? I would prefer my centres to have pace, with robust defensive qualities and to run the angles, it’s quite a specialist role to perform properly. Many seem to be discussing the role of centre as a position that anyone can just fall into. It’s simply not good enough to force fit a square peg into a round hole.

    It’s worth reminding ourselves that our wingers arn’t scoring tries as it stands and they’re as good a pair as most other teams can field yet some want to further reinforce this prospect still further by making wrong selections at centre. If Lomax is said to have lost confidence in Welsby at full back then why would that change with him at centre? He would naturally go one sided & so stunt our attack. It’s madness when we have the fixtures we have on the way.


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    Fair comments. Who do we put left centre, though? Costello isn't up to it, I don't want to lose Knowles out the middle really. Bentley I'm ok with but not sure when he's back.

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    Batchelor, Simm & Rizzelli are all at differing stages of their developments and have played extensively at centre. I don’t know if they’re quite ready yet however they’ve been in a winning team in the reserves & they are in the squad for a reason. Welsby’s confidence must be shot, he isn’t a centre, not quick enough. Why do we keep force fitting him in when it looks like he needs a break. Clearly none of this is ideal but we don’t know if a ‘new’ centre will work, we do know that Welsby won’t work. Make your choice.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Legman View Post
    Batchelor, Simm & Rizzelli are all at differing stages of their developments and have played extensively at centre. I don’t know if they’re quite ready yet however they’ve been in a winning team in the reserves & they are in the squad for a reason. Welsby’s confidence must be shot, he isn’t a centre, not quick enough. Why do we keep force fitting him in when it looks like he needs a break. Clearly none of this is ideal but we don’t know if a ‘new’ centre will work, we do know that Welsby won’t work. Make your choice.


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    I would give Batchelor the gig I'm almost sure most of his games in the backs has been at left centre, if Naiqama gets injured Simm comes into that natural position.

    For Welsby I wouldn't say he is shot, Woolf is using him a lot different to how Coote plays at Full Back and overloading Lomax in the process. I would highly recommend you look at the last 2 games especially the Huddersfield one, Woolf has taken the attacking full back role away from Welsby, almost the whole game he is standing shallow behind the ruck and following Walmsley, LMS and Amor to support a break or offload that tactic only worked once with Amor. This means he's not linking up with our half backs as much and is more of a support player down the middle.

    Woolf is obviously forced into changing our attacking structure with the absence of Percival and Coote but he is gradually "game creeping" into a middles game plan, the likes of Grace and Makinson haven't scored a try yet and I can't remember many quality passes they have received other than the ones that head off in touch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by STIDDY View Post
    I would give Batchelor the gig I'm almost sure most of his games in the backs has been at left centre, if Naiqama gets injured Simm comes into that natural position.

    For Welsby I wouldn't say he is shot, Woolf is using him a lot different to how Coote plays at Full Back and overloading Lomax in the process. I would highly recommend you look at the last 2 games especially the Huddersfield one, Woolf has taken the attacking full back role away from Welsby, almost the whole game he is standing shallow behind the ruck and following Walmsley, LMS and Amor to support a break or offload that tactic only worked once with Amor. This means he's not linking up with our half backs as much and is more of a support player down the middle.
    Great analysis. I don’t know what the driver is for the tactical change you note. He may be playing to Welsby’s skills set or may just like it to work that way. Hope he doesn’t insist on Coote changing his style of play as it’s been key to our success. I’ll bow to your info on Batchelor first pick, the point being is that we don’t need to keep force fitting players anywhere necessarily as we seem to agree we have at least 2 other options.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Legman View Post
    Great analysis. I don’t know what the driver is for the tactical change you note. He may be playing to Welsby’s skills set or may just like it to work that way. Hope he doesn’t insist on Coote changing his style of play as it’s been key to our success. I’ll bow to your info on Batchelor first pick, the point being is that we don’t need to keep force fitting players anywhere necessarily as we seem to agree we have at least 2 other options.


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    I would be very concerned if he did that because Coote just positions either side of the ruck and deeper and runs lateral at speed then links up with the half back play for the quicker ball to the outside edge. Welsby is supporting with the brakes on because he can only run at the speed of our front rowers, his running the ball back from a kick is not so good though.

    The opposition must be chuffed that they only need to watch and control Lomax, its no coincidence that we struggle to score points at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legman View Post
    Batchelor, Simm & Rizzelli are all at differing stages of their developments and have played extensively at centre. I don’t know if they’re quite ready yet however they’ve been in a winning team in the reserves & they are in the squad for a reason. Welsby’s confidence must be shot, he isn’t a centre, not quick enough. Why do we keep force fitting him in when it looks like he needs a break. Clearly none of this is ideal but we don’t know if a ‘new’ centre will work, we do know that Welsby won’t work. Make your choice.


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    Batchelor is 25 years old. If he isn't ready now then he probably is never going to be. He has played 5 times starting twice in the second row, I assume he played in the forwards on his sub appearances. His only appearance this season was ironically against Warrington due to Warmsley beinf hurt and I don't think he filled in for Percy when he went off?? I think he came on in the dying minutes?? I doubt he will be considered.

    I have never seen either of the 2 younger players so couldn't comment. Be good to see if one of them can make the step up and its a very big step.


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    Quote Originally Posted by barry View Post
    Batchelor is 25 years old. If he isn't ready now then he probably is never going to be. He has played 5 times starting twice in the second row, I assume he played in the forwards on his sub appearances. His only appearance this season was ironically against Warrington due to Warmsley beinf hurt and I don't think he filled in for Percy when he went off?? I think he came on in the dying minutes?? I doubt he will be considered.

    I have never seen either of the 2 younger players so couldn't comment. Be good to see if one of them can make the step up and its a very big step.


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    I included Batchelor as someone in this thread suggested he played extensively at centre when younger, I wasn’t aware of it myself. It was simply an attempt to flag that there may well be options other than the obvious, agreed he’s at a different stage of development than the other 2 younger options, that’s what might be needed in the next couple of matches.


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