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    Quote Originally Posted by RJM25R View Post
    No dog in this fight but having seen at first hand the depths people descend to when relationships end, tit for tat family wars and permanently antagonistic attitudes and acts based around ruining peoples lives and revenge, I’m inclined to think that there were no innocent’s in that particular episode.....

    A direct quote from the court case stated that “ During the court proceedings, Phoebe and her father Mitch Hooke admitted to cooperating with a journalist they knew who wrote stories accusing Burgess of drug use and domestic violence”
    Is this the same court case that the father in law was described as “impressive, believable and consistent" in his testimony by the judge?

    Reacher is right; the information that is coming out regarding Burgess is pretty damning and any defence for him by outsiders appears along the lines of ‘heez a dead gud player so he must be a top fella.’ If the only case his defence have is his ex talking to the media versus what is coming out on SB then thats pretty sad.

    I agree relationships going to the dogs can cause us to go to the bottom of the barrel. I wouldn't wish that stress on anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eddiewaringsflatcap View Post

    I agree relationships going to the dogs can cause us to go to the bottom of the barrel. I wouldn't wish that stress on anyone.
    That was my point. I don’t know anything other than that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eddiewaringsflatcap View Post
    Is this the same court case that the father in law was described as “impressive, believable and consistent" in his testimony by the judge?
    The magistrate that admitted he knew the father-in-laws family during the trial and didnt recuse himself you mean? Not defending SB, but that doesnt seem right in my eyes.

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    Regardless of what happened before.


    Driving without a license under the influence of drugs is just downright criminal. Not only that, but being in that state when going to pick your kids up?

    Absolutely no sympathy for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfie McWolf View Post
    It is very difficult to avoid picking up that accent when you live there!
    I lived there longer than Burgess without picking up an Aussie accent. At the time I was single so was working and playing rugby and sharing houses with Aussies

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belgian Saint View Post
    I lived there longer than Burgess without picking up an Aussie accent. At the time I was single so was working and playing rugby and sharing houses with Aussies
    Maybe the Belgian accent counteracts the “Strine”?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfie McWolf View Post
    Maybe the Belgian accent counteracts the “Strine”?
    BS sounds like a cross between Tin Tin and Bernard Dwyer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angry Dave View Post
    BS sounds like a cross between Tin Tin and Bernard Dwyer.
    Tea well and truly snorted!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angry Dave View Post
    BS sounds like a cross between Tin Tin and Bernard Dwyer.
    People not understanding my accent probably got me out of lots of awkward questions when giving presentations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belgian Saint View Post
    People not understanding my accent probably got me out of lots of awkward questions when giving presentations.
    It's an art form, being able to speed up and slow down when needed. I quickly learned that in my early days in Holland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinkers89 View Post
    Regardless of what happened before.


    Driving without a license under the influence of drugs is just downright criminal. Not only that, but being in that state when going to pick your kids up?

    Absolutely no sympathy for him.
    in mitigation, the lack of license is only an administrative thing as he should have applied for an aussie license to replace his international permit when he became a resident a few months ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by el ste View Post
    in mitigation, the lack of license is only an administrative thing as he should have applied for an aussie license to replace his international permit when he became a resident a few months ago.
    There is no mitigation, you either have a licence or you don't. Its a statutory requirement to drive a car. If you don't have one, you don't drive and if you do drive and get caught, there is no 'yeah but' allowed. That's the least of his concerns it would appear, the drug driving and for me, the worst part, he was on his way to pick up his very young children, literally putting their lives in grave danger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomsepho View Post
    The magistrate that admitted he knew the father-in-laws family during the trial and didnt recuse himself you mean? Not defending SB, but that doesnt seem right in my eyes.
    I can’t see much relevance that had to do with the interpretation and application of law against the facts presented in the case. I should imagine many people ‘know’ and are acquainted in the legal circuit but it doesn't stop their impartiality or proper execution of law when they are in the courtroom. It's a pretty low Daily Mirror type line of argument by SB if indeed that's been put forward. A law room is exactly that, not a feelings or cheap speculation room.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eddiewaringsflatcap View Post
    I can’t see much relevance that had to do with the interpretation and application of law against the facts presented in the case. I should imagine many people ‘know’ and are acquainted in the legal circuit but it doesn't stop their impartiality or proper execution of law when they are in the courtroom. It's a pretty low Daily Mirror type line of argument by SB if indeed that's been put forward. A law room is exactly that, not a feelings or cheap speculation room.
    The law, and those involved in discharging it, is meant to be impartial. Its hardly impartial if the magistrate in charge of the proceedings knows members of the prosecutions main witness family members. His father in law has nothing to do with the legal circuit, he was in the mining industry, so its not like they knew each other from that circuit as you allege. Sam Burgess may well be guilty of what he has been accused of, but there are elements of the conviction could quite easily be seen as unsafe, because its quite easy to describe someone as “ impressive, believable and consistent” when you have prior knowledge of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagzie View Post
    There is no mitigation, you either have a licence or you don't. Its a statutory requirement to drive a car. If you don't have one, you don't drive and if you do drive and get caught, there is no 'yeah but' allowed. That's the least of his concerns it would appear, the drug driving and for me, the worst part, he was on his way to pick up his very young children, literally putting their lives in grave danger.
    he does have a license, two in fact, his british one and an international driving permitwhich allowed him to drive in australia as a 'visitor.' his crime was that he hadn't changed them for an aussie one when he became resident. it's not like he'd been disqualified or not passed a test. i'm not defending his other behaviour, merely clarifying the situation of not having a license.

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    Quote Originally Posted by el ste View Post
    he does have a license, two in fact, his british one and an international driving permitwhich allowed him to drive in australia as a 'visitor.' his crime was that he hadn't changed them for an aussie one when he became resident. it's not like he'd been disqualified or not passed a test. i'm not defending his other behaviour, merely clarifying the situation of not having a license.
    I'm not defending Burgess for any of his actions, but as you say this is pretty minor. I have been in the same situation myself in being slow to get a local licence where I have lived. In that situation companies are quite happy to insure you, which is far more important than the licence.

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