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    Johnny best half back in the league by a mile on the bench for GB - how ridiculous! Bennett out of touch with British game

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    Quote Originally Posted by kimmysaint View Post
    Johnny best half back in the league by a mile on the bench for GB - how ridiculous! Bennett out of touch with British game
    What is he going to do next year when Widdop isn't in the nrl. Given his preference for nrl players we could see Bateman in the halves. I'm not a fan of Bennett at all,his shoehorning of players into other positions is annoying.

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    He was an appalling appointment. Clearly a good coach, but just doing this gig for the money. He obviously doesn't watch the game over here at all.

    I think Hastings and Widdop over Lomax is fair enough though. Hastings was and is superb and Widdop brings the kicking game and control the combination with Lomax would lack.

    His choice of wingers is the more shocking. Hall is in a similar state to my physically, in fact I reckon I'd have him in mobility tests. Just so slow and lumbering. But he's been picked because he knows him and figures he's less risk. McGilvray's recent interview was funny. He said Wayne Bennett had told him he'd heard he'd been awful all year and he agreed with him. He then said something along the lines of "I'm at the end of my career, so getting to play for Great Britain is a great oppportunity". Surely there is a winger who would be a better choice than him. Grace/Lineham/Charnley aren't perfect but better than the two selected. There must be younger British wingers who would be worth a go?

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    Look, I know this probably won't go down well but we shouldn't worry about Lomax being on the bench. Leave Widdop the wire to get smacked about. In the grand scheme of things it's a meaningless game, I'd rather all our lads were at home setting their alarms with the rest of us and leave that stubborn old fool to it. He's doing himself no favours in my eyes and will hopefully get found out and sacked after this winter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saddened! View Post
    He was an appalling appointment. Clearly a good coach, but just doing this gig for the money. He obviously doesn't watch the game over here at all.

    I think Hastings and Widdop over Lomax is fair enough though. Hastings was and is superb and Widdop brings the kicking game and control the combination with Lomax would lack.

    His choice of wingers is the more shocking. Hall is in a similar state to my physically, in fact I reckon I'd have him in mobility tests. Just so slow and lumbering. But he's been picked because he knows him and figures he's less risk. McGilvray's recent interview was funny. He said Wayne Bennett had told him he'd heard he'd been awful all year and he agreed with him. He then said something along the lines of "I'm at the end of my career, so getting to play for Great Britain is a great oppportunity". Surely there is a winger who would be a better choice than him. Grace/Lineham/Charnley aren't perfect but better than the two selected. There must be younger British wingers who would be worth a go?
    Given his fondness for young back rowers maybe Morgan Knowles can feel hard done to not to be on the wing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angry Dave View Post
    Look, I know this probably won't go down well but we shouldn't worry about Lomax being on the bench. Leave Widdop the wire to get smacked about. In the grand scheme of things it's a meaningless game, I'd rather all our lads were at home setting their alarms with the rest of us and leave that stubborn old fool to it. He's doing himself no favours in my eyes and will hopefully get found out and sacked after this winter.
    Hopefully he will. I can't stand the guy.

    Meaningless tour this anyway..the proper one is over here, next year, ideally with a British coach at the helm.

    Give me Shaun Wane any day over Bennett.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angry Dave View Post
    Given his fondness for young back rowers maybe Morgan Knowles can feel hard done to not to be on the wing.
    If you want big wingers, pick Lineham. He deserves his spot more than Hall does

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph Fridge View Post
    Hopefully he will. I can't stand the guy.

    Meaningless tour this anyway..the proper one is over here, next year, ideally with a British coach at the helm.

    Give me Shaun Wane any day over Bennett.
    Absolutely.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph Fridge View Post
    If you want big wingers, pick Lineham. He deserves his spot more than Hall does
    I was taking the •••• but yes, you're right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angry Dave View Post
    Absolutely.



    I was taking the •••• but yes, you're right.
    Wouldn't surprise me to be honest..Bateman at centre for example whilst Percival was sat at home. It's actually only one step further into stupidity.

    I have a feeling this trip might not go that well & it'll set us back.

    I have absolutely no interest in playing Tonga and New Zealand in tests. Don't care. I want them to be playing Australia. That's who we want to beat

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph Fridge View Post
    If you want big wingers, pick Lineham. He deserves his spot more than Hall does
    Hall is better than Lineham IMO, Lineham is very flakey


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    Quote Originally Posted by Angry Dave View Post
    Look, I know this probably won't go down well but we shouldn't worry about Lomax being on the bench. Leave Widdop the wire to get smacked about. In the grand scheme of things it's a meaningless game, I'd rather all our lads were at home setting their alarms with the rest of us and leave that stubborn old fool to it. He's doing himself no favours in my eyes and will hopefully get found out and sacked after this winter.
    Completely agree, I wouldn't mind at all if all our players were on the beach instead of the bench, I know it's a selfish opinion, but the season is hard enough as it is, all we need is for Lomax and or Coote to be injured and having to let Richardson go would be a decision that haunts us, I got the impression that Makinson didn't seem too disappointed that he had to miss the tour

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    Quote Originally Posted by FearTheVee View Post
    Hall is better than Lineham IMO, Lineham is very flakey


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    Understood. Just that Lineham has played a lot more games this season

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woolyback View Post
    Completely agree, I wouldn't mind at all if all our players were on the beach instead of the bench, I know it's a selfish opinion, but the season is hard enough as it is, all we need is for Lomax and or Coote to be injured and having to let Richardson go would be a decision that haunts us, I got the impression that Makinson didn't seem too disappointed that he had to miss the tour
    Me either, or Roby and Percival for that matter. I'm sure the lads are proud to be there but GB don't pay their wages and neither do they miss them when injured. Bennett has shown his hand so let him pick a full squad from the NRL if he wants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph Fridge View Post
    Understood. Just that Lineham has played a lot more games this season
    Positions across many sports are not just picked on by form in the international arena though. Understanding of the systems, team ethic/bonding, experience etc are all a massive part of a team; even more so at the international level where players rarely play together during a regular season. The Aussies in our sport have done it for years picking experience and proven partnerships over club form to huge success; but refreshed each year with 1-3 changes in the 17. Not suggesting Hall should be in the side (I don't think he would be if Makinson was fit) but club form isn't the be-and-end-all of the selection process IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geordie_saint View Post
    Positions across many sports are not just picked on by form in the international arena though. Understanding of the systems, team ethic/bonding, experience etc are all a massive part of a team; even more so at the international level where players rarely play together during a regular season. The Aussies in our sport have done it for years picking experience and proven partnerships over club form to huge success; but refreshed each year with 1-3 changes in the 17. Not suggesting Hall should be in the side (I don't think he would be if Makinson was fit) but club form isn't the be-and-end-all of the selection process IMO.
    It doesn't help though when he's hardly played this season. You're right regarding the Aussie's and their policies but we don't have that pool of talent to pick from, besides, why should we follow them, I'd much prefer us not to and play some decent rugby instead of boring the opposition to death. In fact I'm fairly certain I'd be more receptive to international RL if that were the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angry Dave View Post
    It doesn't help though when he's hardly played this season. You're right regarding the Aussie's and their policies but we don't have that pool of talent to pick from, besides, why should we follow them, I'd much prefer us not to and play some decent rugby instead of boring the opposition to death. In fact I'm fairly certain I'd be more receptive to international RL if that were the case.
    Yes, I can't argue with that. As you say, McGilvary wouldn't be in either if it was on club form.

    I do have concerns that Bennett is pretty dismissive of super league though

    Sorry meant to reply to Geordie Saint

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    Quote Originally Posted by FearTheVee View Post
    Hall is better than Lineham IMO, Lineham is very flakey


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    I wouldn't want Lineham anywhere near a GB shirt. The guy is just head down and try to run through his opposite number, but most of the time he is too slow to do that. Also likely to give penalties away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geordie_saint View Post
    Positions across many sports are not just picked on by form in the international arena though. Understanding of the systems, team ethic/bonding, experience etc are all a massive part of a team; even more so at the international level where players rarely play together during a regular season. The Aussies in our sport have done it for years picking experience and proven partnerships over club form to huge success; but refreshed each year with 1-3 changes in the 17. Not suggesting Hall should be in the side (I don't think he would be if Makinson was fit) but club form isn't the be-and-end-all of the selection process IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph Fridge View Post
    Yes, I can't argue with that. As you say, McGilvary wouldn't be in either if it was on club form.

    I do have concerns that Bennett is pretty dismissive of super league though

    Sorry meant to reply to Geordie Saint
    No, I wouldn't either. My team would've been.

    1. Hardaker
    2. Lineham
    3. Gildart
    4. King
    5. Burgess
    6. Widdop
    7. Hastings
    8. Flower
    9. Clarke
    10. Hill
    11. Farrell
    12. Hughes
    13. S O'Loughlin

    14. Williams
    15. Cooper
    16. Bullock
    17. Philbin

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    Bullshit Lomax was the stand out player last time he was international duty and this has nothing to do with club form

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph Fridge View Post
    Yes, I can't argue with that. As you say, McGilvary wouldn't be in either if it was on club form.

    I do have concerns that Bennett is pretty dismissive of super league though

    Sorry meant to reply to Geordie Saint
    Just picking up on the bit in bold; squad for tomorrow:

    James Graham (capt), Lachlan Coote, Jermaine McGillvary, Zak Hardaker, Oliver Gildart, Ryan Hall, Gareth Widdop, Jackson Hastings, Chris Hill, Josh Hodgson, Luke Thompson, John Bateman, Elliott Whitehead, Josh Jones, Tom Burgess, Jonny Lomax, Alex Walmsley, Jake Connor, Jack Hughes.

    12 out of the 19 based in SL. Other than Hall, I don't think I'd argue on any of the NRL players not being deserved of their place in the squad. In fact, I'd argue Hill shouldn't be in (Watts would be my choice) more rigorously than any of other NRL selections. He's also dropped George Burgess from the squad and not selected Ryan Sutton from the NRL.

    Hall, Hill and Hardaker are the only real contentious picks IMO tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angry Dave View Post
    No, I wouldn't either. My team would've been.

    1. Hardaker
    2. Lineham
    3. Gildart
    4. King
    5. Burgess
    6. Widdop
    7. Hastings
    8. Flower
    9. Clarke
    10. Hill
    11. Farrell
    12. Hughes
    13. S O'Loughlin

    14. Williams
    15. Cooper
    16. Bullock
    17. Philbin
    No Luke Thomson? Me thinks green eyed monster with your choices

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph Fridge View Post
    Yes, I can't argue with that. As you say, McGilvary wouldn't be in either if it was on club form.

    I do have concerns that Bennett is pretty dismissive of super league though

    Sorry meant to reply to Geordie Saint
    Just watched the video of handing out the international caps and jerseys, Peacock was enthusiastic but Bennet was a disgrace didn't look interested and offered handshakes like a wet kipper, only Walmsley got a wry smile out of him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kimmysaint View Post
    No Luke Thomson? Me thinks green eyed monster with your choices
    Nothing like missing the point entirely.

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    Less game time the better for our players it will hopefully get Bennett out of the door quicker.

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