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    Quote Originally Posted by Mancunian Saint View Post
    How're the nerves everybody.?
    Awful. I'm struggling to have faith in this side in big games. How much will the Wembley debacle play on their minds?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angry Dave View Post
    Negativity? It's people rightly saying he hasn't played very well over the season. I don't see the issue with that.

    Good analogy with Ian Pickervance who I also thought was a better SR than prop. I've said more than once Ashworth will look a different player after losing a bit of weight and running wider.
    Kind of stuck in the middle between prop and 2nd row at the moment. Fastest forward in super league according to the stats so can afford to bulk up if he’s going to stay at prop. If he’s going to be 2nd row long term then probably needs to drop a little weight to increase his lateral mobility. Hopefully the new coach makes a decision either way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Webbo Again View Post
    Awful. I'm struggling to have faith in this side in big games. How much will the Wembley debacle play on their minds?
    Wembley and the last 10 years to be honest. The players may have changed but we've not had a winning culture since Daniel Anderson left Saints

    Holbrook has started to change things but these players need to step up now and prove that they are the right men for the job, prove that they won't be bullied and intimidated, prove that they can keep their heads and make the right plays under extreme pressure

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    Wet weather rugby it is then . COYS !

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    Quote Originally Posted by djh1972 View Post
    I think there are two people's performances that are crucial on Friday Firstly Coote, who in is absence and recovery to form, made it easier for teams to target and stifle Lomax. If he plays well in attack there is less pressure on Lomax and both of them torment Wigan. Secondly, the referee, who if he stops the Pies unfairly slowing down our PTB, will see us dominate in the forwards as man for man they are no match for us. Game over!
    is the referee on Friday a MR.HICKS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonSaintWiggin View Post
    is the referee on Friday a MR.HICKS?
    Kendall isn't it?

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    I think the fact that they know they’ve got another chance next week might help them tonight. Still sceptical about us when it’s really on the line though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southstandsaint View Post
    Wet weather rugby it is then . COYS !
    that worries me.

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    Worries me too. Williams could have a field day with his short kicking game tonight

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    They’ll be kicking to Grace all game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saintgeorge View Post
    They’ll be kicking to Grace all game.
    That's exactly what they'll be doing. Even when he didn't knock on at Wembley it was given as a knock on against him, contributing to our high error count

    When you put it up there and there is a mass of hands going up the ref often guesses and gives it against the defending side on the basis that it's their responsibility to tidy things up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angry Dave View Post
    Negativity? It's people rightly saying he hasn't played very well over the season. I don't see the issue with that.

    Good analogy with Ian Pickervance who I also thought was a better SR than prop. I've said more than once Ashworth will look a different player after losing a bit of weight and running wider.
    I can’t make my mind up about Ashworth. There were times last season where he was playing front row and looked every bit a top class prop. I also think he’s got the sort of frame that could gain another stone without much trouble, so at that point I was thinking that he’d end up as an impact prop.

    But this year he’s just looked less imposing and aggressive, so maybe he’s better suited to back row.

    I wonder, though, if maybe he’s just an inconsistent player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mancunian Saint View Post
    Well since Wembley we've been pretty good, especially our defence
    We’ve defended very well since Wembley but we’re going to have to be miles better with the ball if we’re going to win tonight or at Old Trafford. If we carry on with our current error rate we’ll have to make do with the LLS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mancunian Saint View Post
    Well since Wembley we've been pretty good, especially our defence
    Before Wembley we were pretty good, especially our defence.

    I know a whole range of factors went against us that day, but we should have had enough to brush Wire aside, and the fact is some key players bottled it big time and put in poor performances.
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    See Tommy Leuluai has said Wigan need to be Gritty not pretty tonight. I do expect this to be explosive. The team who keeps it head will win. I really hope the ref (Kendal) is strong enough to deal with this game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dux View Post
    I can’t make my mind up about Ashworth. There were times last season where he was playing front row and looked every bit a top class prop. I also think he’s got the sort of frame that could gain another stone without much trouble, so at that point I was thinking that he’d end up as an impact prop.

    But this year he’s just looked less imposing and aggressive, so maybe he’s better suited to back row.

    I wonder, though, if maybe he’s just an inconsistent player.
    Still young and coming through. Next couple of seasons will tell us more. Lets see where he gets played next season and how he progresses. I think he could make a go of either prop or second row - but maybe needs to focus on one or the other for a while to get a good run and develop in the position at this level.

    Lees seemed to come along more this season than Ashworth - but each player has their own progression. I remember Thompson looked to have huge potential in his debut season, then plateaued for a while until he really fulfilled that promise in his breakthrough last season.

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    Even though i want us to win tonight - the really crucial game is obviously at Old Trafford. This team needs to discover how to win the biggest games. I think they've got it in them - just a matter of it clicking together and discovering what it takes individually and collectively to have that big game mentality when it matters. I don't care how we get there - even if it takes a loss then 2 wins... I would happily just take 2 wins on the bounce too : ) COYS!

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    Quote Originally Posted by St. Christopher View Post
    Still young and coming through. Next couple of seasons will tell us more. Lets see where he gets played next season and how he progresses. I think he could make a go of either prop or second row - but maybe needs to focus on one or the other for a while to get a good run and develop in the position at this level.

    Lees seemed to come along more this season than Ashworth - but each player has their own progression. I remember Thompson looked to have huge potential in his debut season, then plateaued for a while until he really fulfilled that promise in his breakthrough last season.
    I’m not writing him off by any means, but he isn’t all that young. You’re right that Thompson’s development wasn’t entirely straightforward, but for the last two seasons he’s been one of the best props in the world, and he is the same age as Ashworth. If he’s going to fulfil his potential he’ll have to do it pretty soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dux View Post
    I’m not writing him off by any means, but he isn’t all that young. You’re right that Thompson’s development wasn’t entirely straightforward, but for the last two seasons he’s been one of the best props in the world, and he is the same age as Ashworth. If he’s going to fulfil his potential he’ll have to do it pretty soon.
    I'd almost see Ashowrth as LMS's long term replacement, able to cover prop, back row, LF and even drop into centre if needed during games. That utility value is great as it enables the coach to structure the interchanges differently or change positions throughout the game without using an interchange. As long as we don't end up with a squad full of versatile players but no specialists, it works well, especially in a salary capped sport.

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    really looking forward to tonight's match but haven't a clue who to cheer for!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfie McWolf View Post
    really looking forward to tonight's match but haven't a clue who to cheer for!
    Just make a decision in game, that's what I usually do. I normally favour Warrington when they play Wigan but in the 2013 GF when Westwood cheap-shotted Blake Green early on I was glad Wigan won

    I certainly wasn't jumping up and down when they scored though!

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    I am wondering is there any chance the game could be called of because of the weather , ie Flooded pitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint Ged View Post
    I am wondering is there any chance the game could be called of because of the weather , ie Flooded pitch.
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    Salford did some cracking huge “up & under’s” last night that caused Cas problems. That’s what we should be doing tonight in these conditions, and have a change from the predictable little kicks into the corner.

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