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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean Day View Post
    Some harsh comments here imo. We weren’t perfect but we have had a sustained period of time with a chunk of players missing. It’s all about getting back to where we were or as close as possible. Thompson was excellent, Knowles was much better, so too Big Al and Roby. Coote will benefit from the game and will be better gain next week. That’s crucial for us. His goal kicking was outstanding and that may well be needed in the play offs. I thought we showed glimpses of our best again, scoring the kind of well-executed tries out wide that we’ve not scored for a few weeks. I actually thought Lomax and Fages were decent last night. Defence is a real plus, for me it’s just the short kicking and careless errors that need sorting. As above it’s often through trying to play the ball too fast, just a bit of composure needed
    I see where you are coming from SD. I just think it's a bigger issue than you do as it's habit now & we need to kick it. Composure is something we don't have a lot on imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph Fridge View Post
    I see where you are coming from SD. I just think it's a bigger issue than you do as it's habit now & we need to kick it. Composure is something we don't have a lot on imo.
    You’re right, I think Coote will steady us as he gets back to form, it’s just a pity we only have one more game

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    Is it just me? Nobody's mentioned Peyroux (correct me if I'm wrong). He offered himself up a lot last night and really got stuck in. Not usually into stats etc but I think he would be up there. Mention to Kyle who's improving every game; passing, off loading in the tackle plus a try.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonimac View Post
    Is it just me? Nobody's mentioned Peyroux (correct me if I'm wrong). He offered himself up a lot last night and really got stuck in. Not usually into stats etc but I think he would be up there. Mention to Kyle who's improving every game; passing, off loading in the tackle plus a try.
    Agree on both points and I mentioned Peyroux at the game to someone. Bar a couple of mistakes where he got iffy passes he was excellent

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blobbynator View Post
    I agree.

    Respect the ball, force pressure and kick well.
    The conundrum here is that by focussing on these elements we would be moving away from the style that has resulted in us being runaway league leaders and adopting a Cunningham-esque style of boredom. Given the spate of injuries that we suffered over the past 6 weeks, allied with the rotation of players to provide rest, we have not had our top playmakers on the field together for a prolonged period. I believe it is this rustiness that has mainly contributed to our low completion rates and think that we should continue to try to play our natural game to reinforce our superiority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tez the Saint View Post
    We won’t win a trophy until we cut down the unforced errors. Clearly it hasn’t hit home yet, obviously the Challenge Cup Final didn’t do the job. They’ve got a couple of weeks to sort it out if they fancy winning at Old Trafford.
    Agreed.

    We have a problem with overplaying at key times as well. Yesterday it was at 18-0 up when we knew one more score would kill the game. Hudds were rocking and putting a couple of straightforward sets together would have been enough to finish them off. Instead we just kept turning the ball over because we were trying to score on every play.

    Obviously against that opposition it doesn’t matter, but like you I’m worried that this side is not addressing its biggest weaknesses.

    There’s no doubt for me - if we overplay like that in the playoffs we’ll either lose at OT or we won’t get there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonimac View Post
    Is it just me? Nobody's mentioned Peyroux (correct me if I'm wrong). He offered himself up a lot last night and really got stuck in. Not usually into stats etc but I think he would be up there. Mention to Kyle who's improving every game; passing, off loading in the tackle plus a try.
    I reckon the whole pack stepped up their workrate and our wingers took less hit ups. For me LMS was outstanding when he came off the bench and hit the line at speed.
    I get the feeling Holbrook has made a few tweaks for the loss of Matty Lees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STIDDY View Post
    I reckon the whole pack stepped up their workrate and our wingers took less hit ups. For me LMS was outstanding when he came off the bench and hit the line at speed.
    I get the feeling Holbrook has made a few tweaks for the loss of Matty Lees.
    Lot more effort from Zeb last night much less of the little lads returning the ball and getting flattened much less strolling back into position by our forwards = more effort and exactly how rugby should be played even against poor opposition

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    There isn’t a rule that you have to play the same way for 80 minutes every single week. Obviously every team favours a certain way of playing and have things that work for them but the really good teams play what’s in front of them and can adapt their ‘style’ to what the game needs at that time. If you only play one way 24/7 and can’t change or adapt then you’re in trouble. It doesn’t have to be one of the other.

    We seem to go from one extreme to the other. Sometimes I think we look very overcoached. Happens every week and again yesterday where we start a set near our own line, we make some good ground through the middle, play really fast, Huddersfield were going backwards. But then we go away from the middle, Roby spins the ball to Fages or Lomax who turns Peyroux/Taia back on the inside and all that happens is the defence resets. It’s a pre-planned set of six but if you’re a forward playing for Wigan or Warrington, you’d rather have Peyroux taking an inside ball on his own than Walmsley/Thompson/Knowles all flooding through the middle, Coote kicking the ball in the air and then having to run all the way back to carry off your own line.

    Then we have other periods where we’ve got forwards stood still passing behind each other, or we’re flinging the ball from side aimlessly or we’re throwing daft passes.

    Also think we’re setting Lomax up like we did Barba last year. He was given some shocking passes again last night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tabasco View Post
    The conundrum here is that by focussing on these elements we would be moving away from the style that has resulted in us being runaway league leaders and adopting a Cunningham-esque style of boredom. Given the spate of injuries that we suffered over the past 6 weeks, allied with the rotation of players to provide rest, we have not had our top playmakers on the field together for a prolonged period. I believe it is this rustiness that has mainly contributed to our low completion rates and think that we should continue to try to play our natural game to reinforce our superiority.
    Whilst you make a fair point, our tactics need to be adaptable and flexible and we need to be able to win in different ways.

    We're not in the middle of June now where the weather is perfect and the tracks are dry. The pitches are slowing down and as a result points will be harder to come by in the bigger games.

    Rustiness may be a factor in some of our errors and hopefully the next game will help eradicate those befor the Play Offs but in pretty much every semi final we've played since Holbrook has come in, we've self destructed when put under pressure. Hopefully we panic less and put the pressure on the opposition because they will crack if we do.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Belgian Saint View Post
    I thought Thompson and big Al ran very well, supported by LMS. Taia didn't seem up to speed at all.
    Taia was the same last season, he's not impressed me for a few weeks and neither has Peyroux. It needs addressing for next season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph Fridge View Post

    As an aside & way OT, that Bevan French is a really good player

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    Agree with most of what’s been said, last night wasn’t great and play anything like that in the semi final/grand final we’ll struggle. However, at least we scored quite a few points which was needed after the past couple of weeks and LMS was much better. Taia looks knackered though, as he did towards the end of last season. I think his age has caught up with him. Ashworth again put in another poor contribution. 6 carries for 35 metres which now makes it 11 carries in 3 games. Dreadful really and I think there should be questions surrounding his future here, he’s our worst prop by a mile and isn’t fit enough to cope despite hardly doing anything.

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    You were playing a shot to pieces farts team for goodness sake who just wanted the 80mins over ASAP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaintH517 View Post
    Agree with most of what’s been said, last night wasn’t great and play anything like that in the semi final/grand final we’ll struggle. However, at least we scored quite a few points which was needed after the past couple of weeks and LMS was much better. Taia looks knackered though, as he did towards the end of last season. I think his age has caught up with him. Ashworth again put in another poor contribution. 6 carries for 35 metres which now makes it 11 carries in 3 games. Dreadful really and I think there should be questions surrounding his future here, he’s our worst prop by a mile and isn’t fit enough to cope despite hardly doing anything.
    I have thought the same about Ashworth for a while now, maybe put a back on the bench for cover.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaintH517 View Post
    Agree with most of what’s been said, last night wasn’t great and play anything like that in the semi final/grand final we’ll struggle. However, at least we scored quite a few points which was needed after the past couple of weeks and LMS was much better. Taia looks knackered though, as he did towards the end of last season. I think his age has caught up with him. Ashworth again put in another poor contribution. 6 carries for 35 metres which now makes it 11 carries in 3 games. Dreadful really and I think there should be questions surrounding his future here, he’s our worst prop by a mile and isn’t fit enough to cope despite hardly doing anything.
    I've said this before about Ashworth, he's not a prop. He doesn't seem to like doing the hard work in the middle of the pitch and is better suited to running wider but needs to lose some weight first as he doesn't look fit and doesn't carry it well. It would be a shame to lose him as there's some talent there and I think he would do good job in place of Taia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angry Dave View Post
    I've said this before about Ashworth, he's not a prop. He doesn't seem to like doing the hard work in the middle of the pitch and is better suited to running wider but needs to lose some weight first as he doesn't look fit and doesn't carry it well. It would be a shame to lose him as there's some talent there and I think he would do good job in place of Taia.
    Ashworth doesn't have Taia's handling skills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaintH517 View Post
    Ashworth again put in another poor contribution. 6 carries for 35 metres which now makes it 11 carries in 3 games. Dreadful really and I think there should be questions surrounding his future here, he’s our worst prop by a mile and isn’t fit enough to cope despite hardly doing anything.
    Do you watch the match? If you had paid attention you would have noticed that when Roby went off and Bentley moved to acting halfback, Ashworth moved to centre. That might explain his lack of metres. IMO he is not a prop. Second row is his position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voll au Vent View Post
    Do you watch the match? If you had paid attention you would have noticed that when Roby went off and Bentley moved to acting halfback, Ashworth moved to centre. That might explain his lack of metres. IMO he is not a prop. Second row is his position.
    I think the plan is for him to go back to second row. Holbrook said he wanted to simplify his game for him by playing him at prop in his first season or two. He is a perfect size for second row

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angry Dave View Post
    I've said this before about Ashworth, he's not a prop. He doesn't seem to like doing the hard work in the middle of the pitch and is better suited to running wider but needs to lose some weight first as he doesn't look fit and doesn't carry it well. It would be a shame to lose him as there's some talent there and I think he would do good job in place of Taia.
    I agree, I’d like to see a season of him at second row with him being fully fit before completely writing him off. I do find the way he tires so easily a massive concern though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voll au Vent View Post
    Do you watch the match? If you had paid attention you would have noticed that when Roby went off and Bentley moved to acting halfback, Ashworth moved to centre. That might explain his lack of metres. IMO he is not a prop. Second row is his position.

    It’s been the same for the whole season though, he stats are shocking and he can’t keep up with play after about 10 minutes. I agree that second row is his position though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaintH517 View Post
    I agree, I’d like to see a season of him at second row with him being fully fit before completely writing him off. I do find the way he tires so easily a massive concern though.
    Again, I think that's down to him being too heavy, he actually had some pace when he was lighter and fitness can be worked on.

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    Are we allowed to bring Douglas back in or was he shifted off the cap? I should know this but I don't so apologies
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph Fridge View Post
    Are we allowed to bring Douglas back in or was he shifted off the cap? I should know this but I don't so apologies
    Don't think we can or his total salary would count on the cap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belgian Saint View Post
    Don't think we can or his total salary would count on the cap.
    Thanks. We are short of props now. Not ideal is it
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