I’d like to see him at second row before completely writing him off but as a prop he’s not good enough. Agree on changes to the squad, this team needs freshening up now, too many players who are used to losing big games together. I think the likes of Paulo (won’t happen), LMS, Amor, Taia and possibly Ashworth depending on how he gets on will either leave or need to. Until then hopefully Woolf can instill some resilience and win us a final next year.
Some people need to get a ••••ing grip, second beat first, we go again, on and on to the GF. Hicks ups and all, we need to put this behind us,
We have been outstanding this season, a joy to watch, these lads will get through this and lift the big one at the end, I have full faith in them all.
Ps, I was really sorry that Matty Lee's was not able to play yesterday, but Matty, if you read this? Do us proud in the next final we are in lad.
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I do think we need to tweak a few things though and we've got 3 of 4 games to change the way we play. In a way we've been found out and the tactics employed to restrict our attacking shape and space will just come to the surface again if we get to the Grand Final. At the moment we need to be more hardened of that battle down the middle, also already mentioned we've got 2 centres who don't use their wingers, selfish Percival is getting on my nerves now thats 3 games in a row he's running laterally around like a headless chicken, he's a better player than that.
Since Longy has left we seem to be relying more and more on individuals to come up with something special instead of the smart plays of the first half of the season. Holbrook needs to get us back on the bike, players putting in 100% is fair enough but we do need to freshen up our attacking plays and improve our composure.
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Its happened. In the past now. I wasnt happy at the time, still not happy now mind.
But...i'll keep spending my money when I can to get to Saints games. I will cheer them as loudly as I do every game.
I go in the hope one day, we can get this monkey of our back and start to win big games regularly.
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Yeah I agree with this too.
After watching the game back, I think there’s more positives to take out of the game than I thought at the time. We made too many errors and that was where we lost the game IMO but we still created some good chances: the Morgan Knowles try should have been given and that was really nice play. Every other day of the year Tommy Makinson scores in the corner but the build up was good and showed what we can do when we’ve got some field position. Then Coote missed the goal as well (I actually think he slips) but if some of those chances are finished off, it’s a totally different game.
After the Catalan and Warrington semi-finals last year, I couldn’t see any positives in the performances at all but I’m not sure that’s the case after Saturday’s game. We’ve got a couple of games now to build some of the combinations back up that worked so well early on in the season, we can get Coote, Walmsley, Knowles and Roby back into form and fitness and hopefully we’ll be in a better position come the play-offs. The next three games are really important for us though IMO.
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Was it really a dreadful performance? We made mistakes but the majority of those came in the 2nd half when we were chasing the game. Could we have played better? Yes but at the same time I wouldn’t call it a dreadful performance. I’ve said it on other threads that I just think it was the perfect storm of everything going against us and everything going for Wire.
I’d be shocked if any of these things have happened this year, possibly ever under Holbrook:
1. We’ve been nilled at HT.
2. We’ve scored so few points.
3. We’ve made that many errors in a game.
4. We’ve completed as poorly as that.
It was pretty dreadful. I just can’t fathom Holbrook’s comments about being happy with that performance.
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You need luck to win a final and lady luck was certainly on wires side on Saturday. These things normally even themselves over a season. Last season we beat wire 3 times and lost the forth which ended our season. This season we've done the same, BUT OUR SEASONS NOT OVER. Justin has time to learn from this and get it right. Let the doom and gloom go. Saturday is the past, GF is still the future and I think we'll get there no problem. Worry about winning it then. Get behind our boys. They need our support more than ever.
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We were nilled at HT at Wire earlier in the season but came back to win in the 2nd half.
The other 3 points come from the same thing. Trying to chase a lead in 30 degree heat will lead to errors which in turn will make your completion rate poor and stop you scoring more points.
I’m not arguing that we played a great game but at the same time I don’t think that we were dreadful.
I haven’t brought myself to watch the full game back so I might well be being a bit harsh, dreadful was how it felt watching it live. I just thought the way we went into panic mode straight after they scored was awful and the last thing you do in a cup final in searing heat. Thinking about the game more rationally though, there is a part of me that thinks had the officials done their job we might well have ended up stumbling over the line. Overall, I’m still massively concerned with the second half performance in particular.