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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint from Bury View Post
    on the subject of JH , he has a massive task at Gold Coast next year. Another defeat today and rock bottom of the NRL
    I think people forget the mess that we were in when he came in. I know this is probably a bigger test for him but he can only take them one way.

    Im sure he will do a decent job there using the same principles he used here.


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    Hes looked miserable in every press conference hes had since his announcement....has reality sunk in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomsepho View Post
    I know this is going to sound obvious but we need the right coach, sometimes the best coach available isnt the right one, i do not want to see us going back to what happened when anderson left, the appointments of potter and simmons didn't seem to fit the culture of the club and the style of play we wanted to play. Even when we had brown (and won the league) it always seemed like we were not playing a st helens type of rugby, it was slow and far too methodical rather than being an attacking type of rugby, the less said about the cunningham years the better. What we have found under holbrook is the style and substance we had in the warly to mid 2000s. This is something we must try to keep, fans engage more with the style of rugby we know. Holbrook has brought this back we need the next coach to build on this, not to try and replace it.
    If we haven't learned our lesson after Potter, Simmons and KC, I give up. Never a Brown fan either but he did deliver a GF.

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    Has anyone read the League Express today? They say they have an update on the hunt to replace Justin. Also says they can confirm one name who definitely won't be taking the job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StillInTesco View Post
    Has anyone read the League Express today? They say they have an update on the hunt to replace Justin. Also says they can confirm one name who definitely won't be taking the job.
    Apparently Jason Demetriou is out of the running.

    Then in League Weekly it says that Todd Payton and Craig Hodges are now in the frame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Yellow Giraffe View Post
    Apparently Jason Demetriou is out of the running.

    Then in League Weekly it says that Todd Payton and Craig Hodges are now in the frame.
    Disappointed to hear that Demetriou has dropped out. The other two names don't fill me with confidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StillInTesco View Post
    Disappointed to hear that Demetriou has dropped out. The other two names don't fill me with confidence.
    How do you know he dropped out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StillInTesco View Post
    Disappointed to hear that Demetriou has dropped out. The other two names don't fill me with confidence.
    Wouldn't Ian Watson at Salford be a better option then?

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    I hope we dont get an Aussie for the sake of getting an Aussie. For every Daniel Anderson theirs a Rick Stone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rommel View Post
    Wouldn't Ian Watson at Salford be a better option then?
    I'll caveat this comment by saying 'it's reported by Dave Parker' but League Weekly are citing Jason Ryles as the front runner with Fairleigh, O'Brien, Payton and Hodges also in the running.

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    I agree Ian Watson as done a Brilliant job for Salford What could he do with Saints.

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    Undecided about Watson. Is he genuinely a good coach or his he just a beneficiary of a poor league this season? Is a 14W / 12L record particularly impressive?

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    It is given the circumstances he's been put under.

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    Quote Originally Posted by retro74 View Post
    Undecided about Watson. Is he genuinely a good coach or his he just a beneficiary of a poor league this season? Is a 14W / 12L record particularly impressive?
    Similarly Powell was flavour of the month a couple of years ago but does not seem to have kicked on.
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    When you look at Watsons points difference, it is one of the few in the league with over net +100

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    Quote Originally Posted by retro74 View Post
    Undecided about Watson. Is he genuinely a good coach or his he just a beneficiary of a poor league this season? Is a 14W / 12L record particularly impressive?
    It is when it's achieved on probably the second smallest budget in the League against a core support of about 2,500. I'd say that's over-achieving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eddiewaringsflatcap View Post
    It is when it's achieved on probably the second smallest budget in the League against a core support of about 2,500. I'd say that's over-achieving.
    He has overachieved, but I'm not sure that managing a struggling club well translates into managing a team to OT. I suppose if he doesn't get the chance we won't know.
    It does seem a bit of a concern the number of NRL assistants that seem to be distancing themselves from the job. I just hope we get someone that can continue the growth on and off the field, if they can do that I don't care about nationality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eddiewaringsflatcap View Post
    It is when it's achieved on probably the second smallest budget in the League against a core support of about 2,500. I'd say that's over-achieving.
    It is certainly an achievement - but how much is down to Watson? And could he replicate that at a big club where he's expected to win, and coaching a squad of predominantly internationals?

    Basil did it brilliantly with us, but then car-crashed totally at piescumland.

    Every appointment of a new coach/manager requires a big slice of luck, that they will take to the club, its players, the culture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Webbo Again View Post
    It is certainly an achievement - but how much is down to Watson? And could he replicate that at a big club where he's expected to win, and coaching a squad of predominantly internationals?

    Basil did it brilliantly with us, but then car-crashed totally at piescumland.

    Every appointment of a new coach/manager requires a big slice of luck, that they will take to the club, its players, the culture.
    I agree its an important consideration if Watson's strength as a candidate for a job at St. Helens is concerned, but it is not relevant to Watson's record at Salford were he has consistently demonstrated he is a more than capable coach in challenging circumstances which is what the poster was questioning.
    Regarding Millward, I think that Wigan team at the time were consumed on themselves and didn't want to 'accept' Millward. Took the Wigan club a while to recover.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buddy View Post


    I can see Nathan Brown having to look for work in the near future.

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    Thoughts? Would you have him back?

    Personally I wouldn't even though he gave us the only grand final success for a while


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    Quote Originally Posted by Buddy View Post
    Thoughts? Would you have him back?

    Personally I wouldn't even though he gave us the only grand final success for a while


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    No, we were poor under him for quite a while too. He wasn’t dealt a good hand playing staff wise but some of the rugby under him was painful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by retro74 View Post
    Undecided about Watson. Is he genuinely a good coach or his he just a beneficiary of a poor league this season? Is a 14W / 12L record particularly impressive?
    Great achievement - likely to finish now at least 5 places above the 11th bookies were predicting Salford would finish at season start.

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    I just hope we dont rush into signing the wrong bloke. If nobody in Australia fits the bill we should give Marshall and Wellens the gig for 12 months. At least they will continue with Holbrooks methods and build on what hes done instead of ripping everything up and starting from scratch. Worst case scenario we dont win any trophies. Well still play the same brand of rugby and be a top team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buddy View Post
    Thoughts? Would you have him back?

    Personally I wouldn't even though he gave us the only grand final success for a while


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    Not for me he took us away from our "Saints Style" of play and KC made that inheritance worse. I would have a guess that Brown's man management style is more restricted than Holbrook's open transparent methods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by retro74 View Post
    Undecided about Watson. Is he genuinely a good coach or his he just a beneficiary of a poor league this season? Is a 14W / 12L record particularly impressive?
    Watson has been outstanding, he talks very well and comes across knowledgeable.

    Why is this year a poor league season? People say that every year, a team runs away with it is proof of a poor season, next year teams being close will be the justification, absolute rubbish imo, there are many good players and I get fed up with people knocking these lads taking the field every week for our entertainment

    I don't believe Watson is the right person for us, as good as he has been it doesn't automatically mean he will be good for us

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