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    Quote Originally Posted by RJM25R View Post
    3 posts dedicated to why Holbrook is leaving......


    Another troll joining up to stir the pot, or one of the regular trolls under a different login?

    Que sera sera....

    I'm not trolling. I'll be up front - this thread was passed on Downunder and I was peruseing and seen the post about The Dogs SC problems so I thought I'd correct some misconceptions. The SC problems are very real this year and next, but as 3/4 of the current squad are off contract by the end of next year and won't be retained this is why The Dogs sit on such a warchest for '21 which is being offered to Holbrook to spend.

    Again, not intending to troll. I'm just telling a mix of what I know and what I've been told by someone who hangs out in the right place in Belmore and then just adding the two together. What I know is Hill was in Britain last week and wasn't there for the weather, and I also know Holbrook has deep Canterbury ties back to childhood - supported them, played juniors for them, coached Reserve Grade to a GF.

    What I was told was The Dogs have got him and he'll be there for '20.

    BUT nothing has been signed yet as far as I know, and if there's one thing that can change everything it's money.

    So if St Helens make him an offer he can't refuse everything changes - but that's what it's gonna take because all things being equal he's gone to The Dogs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cojam24 View Post
    Heard all should be revealed on Friday Evening
    If that's true I can only see it being good news. We'd hardly announce he was going when we are hosting our biggest rivals, giving them the opportunity to gloat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ripley View Post
    Canterbury currently have only 4 players contracted for season 2021, another 7 will be added by the beginning of 2020. It is currently estimated that for Season 2021, Canterbury have in excess of $8m of a $9m and change Salary Cap to spend, with the 7 for 2020 to be added it will still be $6m and some to spend for 2021. Most agree for Season 2021 Canterbury are sitting on the biggest SC warchest the game has seen since the introduction of the SC and are already targeting the biggest names off contract for 2021- Latrell Mitchell, very big chance of getting. The Turbo bros, some chance, maybe (loyalty and the Northern Beaches is a big thing for them, but if it's about money Canterbury won't be beaten).

    Ryan Papenhauzen, Jai Arrow, Joseph Manu, are just a handfull of other names (including some from Super League) that are well within their budget.

    The next Canterbury coach will have an opportunity to basically buy a Premiership ready squad of his choice for 2021 at a club with deep pockets and excellent facilities.

    Which is why when Andrew Hill (Canterbury CEO) flew to Britain last week, if he offered Justin Holbrook the job as most think he did - Justin Holbrook will be the next Canterbury coach.
    That doesn't quite stack up McManus + Holbrook had discussions in the month of May to discuss the new contract, then the Cantebury CEO turned up last week. My gut feeling is that McManus offered him a 2 year contract but with a get out clause in Holbrook's favour, Holbrook mentioned he was going nowhere in 2020 so maybe Canterbury want him from 2021 onwards.

    For Holbrook himself he mentioned in a self critical manner that he has to prove himself as being a successful coach last year he regarded last season as a failure for the club, team and coach.

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    Think the Canterbury CEO may have been in the country as well to complete the signing of George Williams, announced overnight, great NRL PR straight away the four Brits heads on bodies sat in a car together!

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    Whenever McManus and Holbrook had their discussion it was before The Dogs strung together another 4 losses to go with the other 7 this year which dove-tails into the 16 last year to give Pay a 12-27 record. In March The Dogs extended Pay by another year in an inexplicable hope of giving him some security transferring to better performances. By June they knew that didn't work and they'd seen enough. That's why Hill was in Britain in July.

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    Will give rival fans reason to dust off an old favourite tune

    "Hes going home ,hes going home, hes going, Holbrooks going home"

    Hes certainly changed the way we play , everything about the team and stadium just seem more bright.

    I would like to see him stay at least one more season. Get a Bag of trophies and medals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ripley View Post
    Whenever McManus and Holbrook had their discussion it was before The Dogs strung together another 4 losses to go with the other 7 this year which dove-tails into the 16 last year to give Pay a 12-27 record. In March The Dogs extended Pay by another year in an inexplicable hope of giving him some security transferring to better performances. By June they knew that didn't work and they'd seen enough. That's why Hill was in Britain in July.
    I might be completely wrong but Holbrook's gives me the impression that honesty and loyalty is pretty high on his agenda, if a contract has been agreed with our club but has been gazumped by a Canterbury late offer, that doesn't sound right with my view on Holbrook.
    If that was Ben Barba though that would be completely different as we have already experienced as the 2018 season progressed.

    Another perspective if we win the LLS, CC and GF this season would that soften the blow of a Holbrook departure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaybs View Post
    Think the Canterbury CEO may have been in the country as well to complete the signing of George Williams, announced overnight, great NRL PR straight away the four Brits heads on bodies sat in a car together!
    That’s Canberra, not Canterbury.
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    If he goes he goes, but he does leave a big hole. I would hope we can get at least another season, with plenty of notice if he is going to allow for diligent recruitment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STIDDY View Post
    I might be completely wrong but Holbrook's gives me the impression that honesty and loyalty is pretty high on his agenda, if a contract has been agreed with our club but has been gazumped by a Canterbury late offer, that doesn't sound right with my view on Holbrook.
    If that was Ben Barba though that would be completely different as we have already experienced as the 2018 season progressed.

    Another perspective if we win the LLS, CC and GF this season would that soften the blow of a Holbrook departure.
    He has always struck me as being honest and ethical, but he may have agreed a contract with a get out clause for n NRL team.

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    No basis for this opinion, but I have a feeling there will be an announcement one way or another either today or tomorrow

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    Quote Originally Posted by RJM25R View Post
    3 posts dedicated to why Holbrook is leaving......


    Another troll joining up to stir the pot, or one of the regular trolls under a different login?

    Que sera sera....


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    Now 5 posts........

    Either he's a rugby fan wanting to share some info he has...

    ...or he's an incredibly sad bloke to put so much effort into make up such a detailed story to troll us
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ripley View Post
    I'm not trolling. I'll be up front - this thread was passed on Downunder and I was peruseing and seen the post about The Dogs SC problems so I thought I'd correct some misconceptions. The SC problems are very real this year and next, but as 3/4 of the current squad are off contract by the end of next year and won't be retained this is why The Dogs sit on such a warchest for '21 which is being offered to Holbrook to spend.

    Again, not intending to troll. I'm just telling a mix of what I know and what I've been told by someone who hangs out in the right place in Belmore and then just adding the two together. What I know is Hill was in Britain last week and wasn't there for the weather, and I also know Holbrook has deep Canterbury ties back to childhood - supported them, played juniors for them, coached Reserve Grade to a GF.

    What I was told was The Dogs have got him and he'll be there for '20.

    BUT nothing has been signed yet as far as I know, and if there's one thing that can change everything it's money.

    So if St Helens make him an offer he can't refuse everything changes - but that's what it's gonna take because all things being equal he's gone to The Dogs.
    Ripleys believe it or not...!
    Cool story bro.

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    Maybe he will sign a year extension to move at end of next season then?

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    Its getting to be a bit of a runaway train now.....The Club should say something today...its overtaking Friday and is a distraction. Over to you Saints.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thommo View Post
    Its getting to be a bit of a runaway train now.....The Club should say something today...its overtaking Friday and is a distraction. Over to you Saints.....
    Well said
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    Quote Originally Posted by eddiewaringsflatcap View Post
    Ripleys believe it or not...!
    Cool story bro.
    You know, every single thing that I've said that I knew, if you use your Google right you would find it confirmed by other sources. And you wouldn't have to try hard either.

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    It sounds like it is true. I think if he had agreed to stay it would have been announced by now. There is no possible reason for it not to have been announced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glasgowsaint View Post
    It sounds like it is true. I think if he had agreed to stay it would have been announced by now. There is no possible reason for it not to have been announced.
    Flip side....Why hasn't it been announced that JH is leaving? We (Saints) are slipping back into our bad old ways of second guessing and Chinese whispers caused by continued silence by the Club. Thought we had learned our lessons...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thommo View Post
    Its getting to be a bit of a runaway train now.....The Club should say something today...its overtaking Friday and is a distraction. Over to you Saints.....
    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph Fridge View Post
    Well said
    Relax lads.

    It is not in our or the club`s best interest to tell us every detail.
    If it is to be it wont pass us by. I think in this world of instant news people expect to be consulted on every development, let them all work it out for their own good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thommo View Post
    Flip side....Why hasn't it been announced that JH is leaving? We (Saints) are slipping back into our bad old ways of second guessing and Chinese whispers caused by continued silence by the Club. Thought we had learned our lessons...
    What lessons Thommo ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thommo View Post
    Flip side....Why hasn't it been announced that JH is leaving? We (Saints) are slipping back into our bad old ways of second guessing and Chinese whispers caused by continued silence by the Club. Thought we had learned our lessons...
    It's hardly a huge story, 5 pages on redvee accounts for about 1% of our fan base

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallaght Tiger View Post
    Relax lads.

    It is not in our or the club`s best interest to tell us every detail.
    If it is to be it wont pass us by. I think in this world of instant news people expect to be consulted on every development, let them all work it out for their own good.
    I will try TT. I'm by nature a very tense person
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    Quote Originally Posted by bewareshadows View Post
    It's hardly a huge story, 5 pages on redvee accounts for about 1% of our fan base
    Fair point
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