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    Gareth Walker reporting that Sean Long is set to leave the TWS and move to Harlequins RU in a coaching role. Big loss for the Saints coaching wise, but Richard Marshall would be a great appointment as assistant - highly thought of at Fax, where he did a great job and brought talent through....already touted as a candidate for SL Head Coach jobs, he could well be groomed as Holbrook’s successor.

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    Sean Long is set to leave St Helens and join Harlequins RU - and former Halifax coach Richard Marshall is in line to replace him. Full story:

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/rugby...elens-16480020


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    Cue rumours of Holbrook not agreeing an extension of his contract with Marshall to take over next season?

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    I think Marshall would be a great replacement for Long but not Holbrook. Being head coach of Halifax and Saints is completely different. Will Long be leaving immediately or at the end of the season?

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    The long move has nothing to do with Holbrook that's for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The frenchman View Post
    The long move has nothing to do with Holbrook that's for sure.
    I was just thinking that if anything, Holbrook must have had input into any replacement. He has largely had to work with what we had with Long/ Lolehisi/ Wellens as his assistants, and more flexibility to build his own team must be a positive for him to stay.

    Any way - Long has been on as much of a journey as the fans have I’ve the last couple of years - if he is going, I’m glad it’s with the club riding high in positivity - he deserves it.

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    Where would this leave Wellens in the pecking order?

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    Hope Saints fans get the chance to give him the send off he deserves

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    Richard Marshall would be a great appointment, as an assistant coach. Did great at Halifax with very little money, so obviously his 'coaching tactics' are spot on. Not sure if he would get to be Saints first team coach. But when he left Fax, I said to my mate, "he won't be out of work long". Ex Leigh player as well.....so what could be better ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tabasco View Post
    Cue rumours of Holbrook not agreeing an extension of his contract with Marshall to take over next season?
    Maybe because Holbrook is extending, Long doesn't see any personal advancement at Saints. Anyway sorry to see him go and prefer him to go there rather than one of our rivals.
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    Aw I'm gutted to lose Sean. My favourite player growing up watching saints. All the very best.

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    Some hypocrites on here, wishing Longy good luck and the winning departure he deserves!! He has committed the same misdemeanors as Benny on separate victims yet a few posters who slated Barba for woman beating are wishing him well? Either two faced or selective amnesia.

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    Give him credit for turning his life around. Great player for saints and influential in the coaching team. Good luck to him, sorry to see him leave us.

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    I would imagine if Longy goes they have enough internal candidates to step in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robert80 View Post
    I would imagine if Longy goes they have enough internal candidates to step in.




    Paul Wellens will get the job. He is part of the GB/ England set up as well as his work at Saints. He is rated very highly by all concerned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benchar View Post
    Give him credit for turning his life around. Great player for saints and influential in the coaching team. Good luck to him, sorry to see him leave us.
    Very much so Benchar, I have never condoned his many flawed actions but neither did I slate him. I also took this same stance with BB.
    It just seems some posters who criticised Benny are not casting the same critical eye or high moral compass level at Longy.
    These same posters were very vociferous in their condemnation of Barba. That, to me, seems very strange and hypocritical.
    I wish him well as I did Benny.

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    Possibly the best rugby player saints have ever had, I wish him well and hope to se him return at some point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saintfryer View Post
    Possibly the best rugby player saints have ever had, I wish him well and hope to se him return at some point.
    Everyone is entitled to their opinion, possibly amongst the best in Super league and that is open to question, but I think that you possibly did not see Vollenhoven, Murphy, Karalius etc, I could go on like the boring old **** I am, but I doubt whether he would get in an all time 13 amongst supporters who have watched Saints for a long time. Any suggestion that it's all because the game is so much faster now goes by the wayside in relation to the three names mentioned, Vollenhoven easily the fastest of all time, Karalius easily the fittest, and Murphy the best all round player, and like other forum members have said, none of the others bet against their own team, or were involved in other unsavoury incidents

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woolyback View Post
    Everyone is entitled to their opinion, possibly amongst the best in Super league and that is open to question, but I think that you possibly did not see Vollenhoven, Murphy, Karalius etc, I could go on like the boring old **** I am, but I doubt whether he would get in an all time 13 amongst supporters who have watched Saints for a long time. Any suggestion that it's all because the game is so much faster now goes by the wayside in relation to the three names mentioned, Vollenhoven easily the fastest of all time, Karalius easily the fittest, and Murphy the best all round player, and like other forum members have said, none of the others bet against their own team, or were involved in other unsavoury incidents
    The three old ones you mention are certainly among my favourites. I thing Longy was the best 7 in SL. But probably my two favourites from SL are Scully and Wellens. Though there have been some other greats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woolyback View Post
    Everyone is entitled to their opinion, possibly amongst the best in Super league and that is open to question, but I think that you possibly did not see Vollenhoven, Murphy, Karalius etc, I could go on like the boring old **** I am, but I doubt whether he would get in an all time 13 amongst supporters who have watched Saints for a long time. Any suggestion that it's all because the game is so much faster now goes by the wayside in relation to the three names mentioned, Vollenhoven easily the fastest of all time, Karalius easily the fittest, and Murphy the best all round player, and like other forum members have said, none of the others bet against their own team, or were involved in other unsavoury incidents
    I can tell you for a fact Murphy, Karalius and Rhodes used to do the coupon and as play makers and goal kickers used it to massage the winning margains. They could double/treble their money by pulling a kick wide or taking the wrong option pass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saintfryer View Post
    Possibly the best rugby player saints have ever had, I wish him well and hope to se him return at some point.
    It’s about opinions isn’t it. He was good but I’m not sure he was even our best half back let alone the best player in my opinion. Pimblett, Walsh, Nicole, Mann, Martin, Sullivan, Volenhoven, Murphy, Cunningham, Newlove, Meninga, the list goes on and on. We’ve been lucky. He was good though. I wish him well

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pasty View Post
    It’s about opinions isn’t it. He was good but I’m not sure he was even our best half back let alone the best player in my opinion. Pimblett, Walsh, Nicole, Mann, Martin, Sullivan, Volenhoven, Murphy, Cunningham, Newlove, Meninga, the list goes on and on. We’ve been lucky. He was good though. I wish him well
    It is definitely down to individual opinions. I think in terms of people saying Long is our greatest ever HB, we have only had two good ones in the last 30 years in Long and Goulding, so younger ones don't have a lot to choose from. From those two, for me Long wins everytime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belgian Saint View Post
    It is definitely down to individual opinions. I think in terms of people saying Long is our greatest ever HB, we have only had two good ones in the last 30 years in Long and Goulding, so younger ones don't have a lot to choose from. From those two, for me Long wins everytime.
    I agree with you there. It’s been a problem position for some time. I quite like Fages and Richardson but personally I don’t think either of them are really “top drawer”

    Dodds has a lot of promise but is a long way off. We seem to have a conveyor belt of good players coming through the Academy over the years except in the half backs. I don’t know why that is though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallaght Tiger View Post
    Some hypocrites on here, wishing Longy good luck and the winning departure he deserves!! He has committed the same misdemeanors as Benny on separate victims yet a few posters who slated Barba for woman beating are wishing him well? Either two faced or selective amnesia.
    Quite correct! and I was critical at that time, but he seemed to turn his life around, but who at the end of his playing career were only willing to give him a one year contract, while Cunningham's seemed to roll on and a statue! perhaps it may be something similar again, as they say twice bitten! Whatever, wish him the best if he does goes to Quins!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belgian Saint View Post
    It is definitely down to individual opinions. I think in terms of people saying Long is our greatest ever HB, we have only had two good ones in the last 30 years in Long and Goulding, so younger ones don't have a lot to choose from. From those two, for me Long wins everytime.
    Agree! that as the problem with the statue! how many greats did many fans who voted truly know? how the likes of Vollehoven were ignored shocked me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaybs View Post
    Quite correct! and I was critical at that time, but he seemed to turn his life around, but who at the end of his playing career were only willing to give him a one year contract, while Cunningham's seemed to roll on and a statue! perhaps it may be something similar again, as they say twice bitten! Whatever, wish him the best if he does goes to Quins!
    I think the decision to offer Long a one year deal was right, bar the first game against Hull where nobody could actually see him play he did very little of note at Hull and if memory serves me right got hurt and barely played for them.

    Long was past his best by the time he left and while the Eastmond affair is well documented you can't really blame the club for going with Eastmond.

    As well as that Cunninghams role at the time as a interchangable hooker fit with the way the club were playing at the time and I think Cunnigham was pretty astute in calling time on his playing career.

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