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    Quote Originally Posted by Belgian Saint View Post
    Nothing to disagree with there.
    To quote Wilkin on 5live tonight, teams don't take goal kicking seriously enough. Saints woud be 24-22 up not losing at this stage.

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    Wilkin's just added that Sean Long was good but didn't like kicking, Scully didn't like kicking and "Saints have never treated it seriously" which I think is unfair given Walsh's success rate and Richardson last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 30th_November View Post
    To quote Wilkin on 5live tonight, teams don't take goal kicking seriously enough. Saints woud be 24-22 up not losing at this stage.
    They might of kicked more goals with a better kicker like richardson but you could equally argue hurrel could of run over him and svored 4 trys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brook View Post
    They might of kicked more goals with a better kicker like richardson but you could equally argue hurrel could of run over him and svored 4 trys.
    Bit of a difficult one, Richardson a much better kicker than anyone else we have, but DR would never put himself in the middle of it the way Fages does.
    Depending how DR does at Leigh, and how we suffered with only forwards on the bench, I wouldn't be surprised to see him back and Fages on the bench

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    Thanks for the replies. Now we have a new drop goal specialist, could Robes do it? Seriously should Coote be doing it? I recall Tommy being good but it needs someone who is comfortable doing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belgian Saint View Post
    Bit of a difficult one, Richardson a much better kicker than anyone else we have, but DR would never put himself in the middle of it the way Fages does.
    Exactly,the days of carrying a kicker in a team are long over. If your defence isnt up to it you will be targeted relentlessly. The good thing is defence can be worked on and D.R. is young and can be coached.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 30th_November View Post
    Wilkin's just added that Sean Long was good but didn't like kicking, Scully didn't like kicking and "Saints have never treated it seriously" which I think is unfair given Walsh's success rate and Richardson last year.
    I think that might be down to the individual rather than the club. I'd also include Foster in with those you mentioned.
    To only have one or two players in the squad that are reliable conversion takers is a poor position to be in, if you look at the likes of Wigan & Leeds they usually have half the team that are reliable as and when needed. Luckily it doesn't tend to cost us, but it's better to not be the position where it might do.

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    Haha I remember always going into desperation mode when we had to resort to Wello taking the kicks when Long and Scully were missing. Unless the try was under the posts you could forget it.

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    The question is what is more valuable to the team, Richardson's goal kicking or Fages defence, tonight had Richardson played I don't think goal kicks would've mattered because hurrell would've been even more devastating second half

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    Quote Originally Posted by 30th_November View Post
    Haha I remember always going into desperation mode when we had to resort to Wello taking the kicks when Long and Scully were missing. Unless the try was under the posts you could forget it.
    The mad thing is, I used to go to the academy games and Wello kicked them from everywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Two Wheeled Saint View Post
    The mad thing is, I used to go to the academy games and Wello kicked them from everywhere.

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    As did Percy!

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    Percy and Coote look a bag of nerves when executing a pressure kick, Richardson can kick from anywhere. i would imagine we will keep the same team until we start to struggle and goal kicks costs us a game.

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    Whether Danny is the answer or not is of course debatable.
    What isn't for me is the fact that missed goal kicks will cost us along the way.
    Percy really isn't a great kicker and that is undeniable fact.

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    Percival isnt a kicker. But his positioning to save Lolehea (spelling) try was a fair trade off for his missed kicks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Div View Post
    Whether Danny is the answer or not is of course debatable.
    What isn't for me is the fact that missed goal kicks will cost us along the way.
    Percy really isn't a great kicker and that is undeniable fact.
    Percy cost us the game at Cas in the play offs-don't think he has recovered from that

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    Quote Originally Posted by STIDDY View Post
    Percy and Coote look a bag of nerves when executing a pressure kick, Richardson can kick from anywhere. i would imagine we will keep the same team until we start to struggle and goal kicks costs us a game.
    Clarke said that Richardsons conversion rate is about 75% but you would always back him to kick a pressure kick.

    Percival has already been tried and he isn't good enough and is never going to nail a pressure kick as we saw at Cas a couple of years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint from Bury View Post
    Percy cost us the game at Cas in the play offs
    I'd say that accolade belongs to Mr Morgan
    I f*cking hate wi*an.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Webbo Again View Post
    I'd say that accolade belongs to Mr Morgan
    I still think it was soft

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    Quote Originally Posted by Webbo Again View Post
    I'd say that accolade belongs to Mr Morgan
    IF the goals had been kicked then it wouldn't of mattered and that is the crux of the point. You see worse than Morgan did in every game and it goes unpunished.

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    [QUOTE=barry;754375]I still think it was soft

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    Without Richardson in the team, we hav to solve this. Given Coote is the big name, I think he should shoulder the kicking duties. I think it detracts from Percy's game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Div View Post
    Whether Danny is the answer or not is of course debatable.
    What isn't for me is the fact that missed goal kicks will cost us along the way.
    Percy really isn't a great kicker and that is undeniable fact.
    One common ingredient every good team has is a very good goal kicker. By trusting part timers to fill in Saints are looking at around 100 points less scored over the course of a season.

    How many games that will cost us is anyone's guess but if we want to win silverware it makes it more difficult

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    Quote Originally Posted by undertheradar View Post
    I totally agree mate. Thats the dilemma with Richardson. He could win you a tight game with his kicking but his defence could also cost you points. Its a tricky one for Holbrook.
    Agreed....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint from Bury View Post
    Percy cost us the game at Cas in the play offs-don't think he has recovered from that
    Thought it was Ryan Morgan who gave away the late penalty cost Saints the place in the semi

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    [QUOTE=30th_November;754379]
    Quote Originally Posted by barry View Post
    I still think it was soft

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    Without Richardson in the team, we hav to solve this. Given Coote is the big name, I think he should shoulder the kicking duties. I think it detracts from Percy's game.
    Agree with this. Jamie Lyon didnt come over as a kicker but turned himself into a very accomplished one. I would back Coote to do the same....

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    Quote Originally Posted by notawiginfan View Post
    Thought it was Ryan Morgan who gave away the late penalty cost Saints the place in the semi
    As has been pointed out, if Percy had converted half his kicks, wed have been far enough ahead for that not to matter, and we would have made the FINAL.
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