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    Quote Originally Posted by Webbo Again View Post
    They're not married
    You know very well after 10 years together she is for all intents and purposes his wife in everything but name.

    If Barba had played for anyone but Saints you would be the first to criticise. He attacked a woman, it isnt the first time. Nothing else in this story matters



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    Quote Originally Posted by Buddy View Post
    You know very well after 10 years together she is for all intents and purposes his wife in everything but name.

    If Barba had played for anyone but Saints you would be the first to criticise. He attacked a woman, it isnt the first time. Nothing else in this story matters



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    What he did was repugnant, and he deserves a punishment - I previously suggested a 6-12 month ban, coupled with him having to attend anger management/gambling/addiction courses, and publicly perform community service.

    By mentioning that he wasn't married I was just clarifying the situation, not demeaning it.

    I do, however, think there needs to be proportionality to his punishment, and that Greenberg is not only going over the top, but I'd have thought exceeding his authority - and he's looking like he's doing it out of a personal issue with Barba.

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    [QUOTE=Buddy;752903 Nothing else in this story matters



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    Don`t think anything in this world is that black and white Buddy, I think this case is far more complex than the Nothing else comment.
    I agree with both yourself and Webbo on this. His crime is abhorrent but the punishment is excessive and vindictive.
    The old saying of "if we wait long enough everyone is right in the end" is certainly true here.
    The precedent has been set, will it stay as consistent as this judgement?
    Times are changing, as earlier quoted Leon glassed a victim then five years later assaulted a man whilst accompanying a fellow player to his estranged wife`s house, we still signed him without any moral questions then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Webbo Again View Post
    What he did was repugnant, and he deserves a punishment - I previously suggested a 6-12 month ban, coupled with him having to attend anger management/gambling/addiction courses, and publicly perform community service.

    By mentioning that he wasn't married I was just clarifying the situation, not demeaning it.

    I do, however, think there needs to be proportionality to his punishment, and that Greenberg is not only going over the top, but I'd have thought exceeding his authority - and he's looking like he's doing it out of a personal issue with Barba.
    I could be wrong Webbo but I think it's the NRL's Integrity Unit that has viewed the video and independently given it quite a damning verdict so looks like Greenberg isn't alone in stating the severity of it. I am not exactly sure what his level of authority is but he does talk about it being 'within his jurisdiction' to impose such a sanction - presumably conferring with the IU in the process.

    I don't know whether he has a personal agenda with Barba and I can see why people would think that. My feeling is though, with it being such a high profile issue, he'd be taking steps to ensure he was on safe ground before meting out that kind of sanction and you would hope that it's representative of what he saw rather than his personal opinion of the player. We don't actually know what happened but there are unsubstantiated suggestions that it was a physical altercation inside folowed by throwing rocks at her outside. I can understand why viewing that would elicit quite a severe response from someone expected to be a role model.

    As others have said, I feel desperately sorry for his partner and kids. I don't have too much sympathy for Barba to be honest - he knows the rules and expectations and has trampled all over them again despite having previous opportunities to sort himself out.

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    Normally in cases like this it takes several weeks/months to come to a conclusion, I'm assuming over meeting(s) with committees etc. It seems very odd that this time, it's literally hit the news and within a week it's been stated that he has a lifetime ban - I would have thought there has to be some legal procedure and I cannot see how it has been followed. I'm not for a minute saying I believe that should the allegations be correct no action should be taken, I'm just saying that it all seems rushed.

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    https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/my-...05-p50vu7.html

    A good article from an Aussie journalist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint_Claire View Post
    Normally in cases like this it takes several weeks/months to come to a conclusion, I'm assuming over meeting(s) with committees etc. It seems very odd that this time, it's literally hit the news and within a week it's been stated that he has a lifetime ban - I would have thought there has to be some legal procedure and I cannot see how it has been followed. I'm not for a minute saying I believe that should the allegations be correct no action should be taken, I'm just saying that it all seems rushed.
    Agreed, I don't know if it was thread or the other I mentioned that NRL should have waited until after the police had completed their investigation before making a decision.
    I think it's classed as "sub judice"

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    But within the space of a few days the RL world has seen fit to wipe out a player and all his dependants including the woman he assaulted. There has not been a full investigation yet (I don’t doubt the evidence here) but how can RL decide on someone’s fate until everything has been investigated.
    So for all RL’s stuff about helping players with issues and supporting them they decide in a few days to wipe their hands of BB. Guess all the fancy mental health talk in videos, etc is just a facade.[/QUOTE]


    You make a good point.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Infamous Grouse View Post
    Agreed, I don't know if it was thread or the other I mentioned that NRL should have waited until after the police had completed their investigation before making a decision.
    I think it's classed as "sub judice"
    The incident took place on the Australia day weekend so it's not a huge rush. How long does it take for people to watch a video of him punching his partner?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Infamous Grouse View Post
    Agreed, I don't know if it was thread or the other I mentioned that NRL should have waited until after the police had completed their investigation before making a decision.
    I think it's classed as "sub judice"
    And also, given the State of Mind campaign, the NRL seem to be offering no support whatsoever, they're just wiping their hands of him and by default his family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Infamous Grouse View Post
    https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/my-...05-p50vu7.html

    A good article from an Aussie journalist.
    You are right. But up he no longer is a recognised player for NQC then do they have the right to say that they have no responsibility towards Ainslie and the girls?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint_Claire View Post
    And also, given the State of Mind campaign, the NRL seem to be offering no support whatsoever, they're just wiping their hands of him and by default his family.
    Should we consider him a victim then? Perhaps reward him for beating the crap out of his missus?

    He is the guilty party here not the NRL, if he now wants to provide for his family he will have to go and get a job, that's what happens in the real world.

    The best way to prevent losing your status as a high earning sports star is not be a wife beating arsehole.

    The hypocrisy by some Saints fans is staggering. If this was Hardaker we were discussing they would be calling for a public hanging!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinny NZ View Post
    Greenberg is in Aus press confirming video evidence shows a “physical altercation” so assume he has seen it now.
    As for the effect on his family there are many things BB can do to reduce this, the first one being getting the help he needs to ensure he doesn’t do what he is now confirmed to have done again. And from a financial position he could easily sell his story to media groups on the understanding all money went to his wife and children.
    Vinny I am sure what you read is the same as what I have seen & Greenberg states repeatedly he has not actually seen the video of the so called violence . I very much doubt the video will be shown to the general public so we may never know how much violence was used . Altho' I abhor any sort of violence of
    man on woman or children we should really see what actually happened before BB is banned for life . Still think Greenberg is using this incident to make himself look like a big man .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinny NZ View Post
    Greenberg is in Aus press confirming video evidence shows a “physical altercation” so assume he has seen it now.
    As for the effect on his family there are many things BB can do to reduce this, the first one being getting the help he needs to ensure he doesn’t do what he is now confirmed to have done again. And from a financial position he could easily sell his story to media groups on the understanding all money went to his wife and children.
    Hi Vinny , I think what you have read is the same as what I saw & Greenberg says he has not seen the video , he is backing what Cowboys have done . For me action against BB should only be taken after he is found guilty by police .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Webbo Again View Post
    What he did was repugnant, and he deserves a punishment - I previously suggested a 6-12 month ban, coupled with him having to attend anger management/gambling/addiction courses, and publicly perform community service.

    By mentioning that he wasn't married I was just clarifying the situation, not demeaning it.

    I do, however, think there needs to be proportionality to his punishment, and that Greenberg is not only going over the top, but I'd have thought exceeding his authority - and he's looking like he's doing it out of a personal issue with Barba.
    Webbo exactly my opinion of Greenberg he is definitely taking a huge advantage of this to make himself look 'holier than thou' .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buddy View Post
    The incident took place on the Australia day weekend so it's not a huge rush. How long does it take for people to watch a video of him punching his partner?



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    I was refer to the legal situation
    If the police are investigating it.
    The player should be suspended until the outcome of any legal proceedings then the club and the NRL should give their ruling.

    Maybe the Aussie legal system is different to ours but if this where to happen in a criminal case over here a good barrister would argue that the NRL's decision has had an influence on the jury.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Infamous Grouse View Post
    I was refer to the legal situation
    If the police are investigating it.
    The player should be suspended until the outcome of any legal proceedings then the club and the NRL should give their ruling.

    Maybe the Aussie legal system is different to ours but if this where to happen in a criminal case over here a good barrister would argue that the NRL's decision has had an influence on the jury.
    But this isn't a criminal case. His partner would have to press charges which we all know she wont do.

    As I said the NRL aren't the bad guys here. The guy drinking for 7 hours before battering his wife is.
    Barba knew what would the outcome would be for any indiscretion he made, he knew what would happen to his family if he stepped out of line but did it anyway. What does that say about him?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Buddy View Post
    But this isn't a criminal case. His partner would have to press charges which we all know she wont do.

    As I said the NRL aren't the bad guys here. The guy drinking for 7 hours before battering his wife is.
    Barba knew what would the outcome would be for any indiscretion he made, he knew what would happen to his family if he stepped out of line but did it anyway. What does that say about him?



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    I completely agree with your comments re Barba, if you have a drink/gambling problem you don't go to a casino.

    Re, the legal side, the last reports I read said that the police were investigating.
    If they are and there is evidence and one or more witnesses then it doesn't matter whether the wife presses charges or not.
    Over here it's the Crown that prosecutes.

    Anyway it's just a technicality now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Infamous Grouse View Post
    Agreed, I don't know if it was thread or the other I mentioned that NRL should have waited until after the police had completed their investigation before making a decision.
    I think it's classed as "sub judice"
    Barba was sacked by NQC for breach of policy or some such. This doesn’t need any kind of police or NRL investigation, as we must assume that after his previous troubles, the Cowboys would have had a watertight set of contract clauses regarding his behavior and once he broke it, bye bye!

    It is entirely plausible that the NRL let him re-register as a player under a similar set of terms?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RJM25R View Post
    Barba was sacked by NQC for breach of policy or some such. This doesn’t need any kind of police or NRL investigation, as we must assume that after his previous troubles, the Cowboys would have had a watertight set of contract clauses regarding his behavior and once he broke it, bye bye!

    It is entirely plausible that the NRL let him re-register as a player under a similar set of terms?
    Todd Carney didn't get another chance IIRC. The only difference was the RFL didn't ban him.

    He could always follow Kevin Whitfield's lead (I think it was him anyway) who got banned sine die but became a referee

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    Quote Originally Posted by RJM25R View Post
    Barba was sacked by NQC for breach of policy or some such. This doesn’t need any kind of police or NRL investigation, as we must assume that after his previous troubles, the Cowboys would have had a watertight set of contract clauses regarding his behavior and once he broke it, bye bye!

    It is entirely plausible that the NRL let him re-register as a player under a similar set of terms?
    Agreed it doesn't need the police but the reports we had were that the Police were investigating and if that is the case the club should let them deal with it first .
    Obviously we're only getting info a few days behind so we don't know whether the police had already dealt with it by caution.
    But if there are criminal charges pending the club should wait until they're sorted.

    If you don't follow correct procedure things have a habit of coming back to bite you.

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    Shocked by some of the comments here. The NRL has been riddled with off field issues in recent years which have seriously tainted their efforts to market the sport to women and young people particularly. Greenberg has been clear recently that he has had enough and will be clamping down on it to save the reputation of the sport. Barba is a repeat offender already on his 10th life. Any sympathy and help should go to his partner and family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Infamous Grouse View Post
    Agreed it doesn't need the police but the reports we had were that the Police were investigating and if that is the case the club should let them deal with it first .
    Obviously we're only getting info a few days behind so we don't know whether the police had already dealt with it by caution.
    But if there are criminal charges pending the club should wait until they're sorted.

    If you don't follow correct procedure things have a habit of coming back to bite you.
    I’m confident Barba’s Sacking is absolutely watertight. Clauses are inserted into contracts all the time, and barba’s previous would make him a shoe-in for “bad behavior” clauses, it’s nothing new.

    He had similar clauses in his Saints contract including regular drugs testing. Fall foul of any of the clauses and you receive instant termination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buddy View Post
    Todd Carney didn't get another chance IIRC. The only difference was the RFL didn't ban him.

    He could always follow Kevin Whitfield's lead (I think it was him anyway) who got banned sine die but became a referee

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    I think it was Robin Whitfield. Got banned for breaking Derek Noonan's jaw in a late tackle, then turned to reffing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belgian Saint View Post
    I think it was Robin Whitfield. Got banned for breaking Derek Noonan's jaw in a late tackle, then turned to reffing.
    Wow - I never knew that!

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