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    Quote Originally Posted by eddiewaringsflatcap View Post
    But it appears you have missed the whole point of why the US uses a play off structure.

    The play offs are effectively fair in the sense that - using the NFL as an example - the New England Patriots will not have the same fixture schedule as say, the Dallas Cowboys. Likewise the Pittsburgh Steelers do not have the same opponents as the San Francisco 49ers.

    Its a non sequitur to use the US system as any justification for RL play offs given all RL clubs have exactly the same fixtures apart from just one match over the magic weekend.
    I wasn’t trying to justify the use of play-offs in RL and actually prefer the first past the post system. What I was trying to show was that there are sports where play-offs are a fundamental part of the system which can possibly lead to a team that has failed to win its own division becoming “World Champions”. People nevertheless respect the outcome so my referencing US systems was no more than an attempt to demonstrate that there are sports which retain integrity and are taken seriously despite the use of play-offs to decide the champions.

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    nothing in the new rules about kicking off on time not one game last season kicked off on time,at least football manage it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonSaintWiggin View Post
    nothing in the new rules about kicking off on time not one game last season kicked off on time,at least football manage it.
    Really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Upside View Post
    Really?
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    In a knutshell the new rules:

    1. golden point after 80 mins no draws
    2. 30 seconds for a drop out
    3. 30 seconds for a scrum
    4. If a team scrums down quickly to stop the clock then they stay there if they come out the clock re starts?
    5. 1 minute for taking a conversion.
    6. Only 8 subs now used
    7. Any I've missed???

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    It's 80 seconds for a conversion, 35 seconds for scrums

    "In addition, in the last five minutes of each fixture, the clock will automatically be stopped following a penalty or a drop goal that goes out of the field of play, or a conversion - or after a try, if a team chooses not to take the conversion attempt"

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    I presume it's from when the ref remembers to put the clock on at non televised games?

    Still think that it should be 1 point each for a draw and 1 extra for the golden point or is it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scouse Don View Post
    I presume it's from when the ref remembers to put the clock on at non televised games?

    Still think that it should be 1 point each for a draw and 1 extra for the golden point or is it?
    So three points on some games and two in others?

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    Awarding teams two points for winning after 80 minutes, whereas teams competent enough to win within the 80 minutes receive the same amount. This, in itself, is grossly unfair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by machoTit View Post
    Awarding teams two points for winning after 80 minutes, whereas teams competent enough to win within the 80 minutes receive the same amount. This, in itself, is grossly unfair.
    Maybe they should introduce a new points system say 3 pts for a clear win, 2 pts for a "golden point win", 1 pt for a "golden point loss", 0 pts for a clear loss. To play the full 80 mins and scores are equal then both teams should get something out of the game.

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    How about 3 points for a win in 80 mins, 1 point each for a draw after 80 mins and 1 point extra for a golden point win, that way both/all teams get some reward.

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    Great minds eh!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delighted! View Post
    Great minds eh!
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    Quote Originally Posted by STIDDY View Post

    Maybe they should introduce a new points system say 3 pts for a clear win, 2 pts for a "golden point win", 1 pt for a "golden point loss", 0 pts for a clear loss. To play the full 80 mins and scores are equal then both teams should get something out of the game.
    I'm not in favour of the GP, but at least this would give both teams something rather than nothing.

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    Isn't the whole idea of the golden point the high drama of everything being at stake in a knife-edge situation? If it was effectively a bonus round for an extra point it would lose that value, IMO.

    I'm not in favour of the GP, by the way ... I think there's nothing wrong with a draw ... but if we're going to do it we may as well do it properly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belgian Saint View Post
    I'm not in favour of the GP, but at least this would give both teams something rather than nothing.

    You could have a team who for 80 minutes have been camped in their own 20m but have held out for a 0-0 draw then like the Grand Final winner being the lowest placed team they could get a 60 m penalty and Desperate Dan puts it over for a GP. Totally undeserved win like we have totally undeserved Champions. Leeds were masters of strolling through the season finishing well down the table and peaking at Play Off/GF time. Not my idea of a true reflection of a Game or a Season. What next Americanised playing time so that an 80 minute game lasts all day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greengrass View Post
    You could have a team who for 80 minutes have been camped in their own 20m but have held out for a 0-0 draw then like the Grand Final winner being the lowest placed team they could get a 60 m penalty and Desperate Dan puts it over for a GP. Totally undeserved win like we have totally undeserved Champions. Leeds were masters of strolling through the season finishing well down the table and peaking at Play Off/GF time. Not my idea of a true reflection of a Game or a Season. What next Americanised playing time so that an 80 minute game lasts all day.
    Undeserved but they scored more than the opposition?

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    Thought it worked really well last night with the various shot clocks just read that the game lasted 43 minutes and 29 minutes first half and 44 minutes and 57 seconds second half, can't remember the last time a game was done by about 25 to ten, and felt good to get away from the two minute break every time a scrum went down.

    Thought it opened up the game a bit more without forwards just smashing it up the middle over and over again.

    That said it looks like some teams could get absolutely pasted if they're not fit enough

    Final thing hopefully the refs have been instructed to curb their use of the video ref, last year he'd have probably gone for the flower and roby try
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    Do we know why the scrum clock is 35 secs and the drop out one is 30? 35 seems a strange number and just adds unnecessary complication. Surely 30 secs for both would be better.

    And what happens if the team feeding the scrum is ready but the defending team is delaying and the clock runs out? Attacking team gets the pen? And does the VR actually tell the on-filed ref the clock has run out or has he got to check himself?

    If they just enforced the rules as they're written then we wouldn't need these extra devices. I'm sure they'll improve the game but it's skirting round the issues rather than actually dealing with them direct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulscnthorpe View Post
    Thought it worked really well last night with the various shot clocks just read that the game lasted 43 minutes and 29 minutes first half and 44 minutes and 57 seconds second half, can't remember the last time a game was done by about 25 to ten, and felt good to get away from the two minute break every time a scrum went down.

    Thought it opened up the game a bit more without forwards just smashing it up the middle over and over again.

    That said it looks like some teams could get absolutely pasted if they're not fit enough

    Final thing hopefully the refs have been instructed to curb their use of the video ref, last year he'd have probably gone for the flower and roby try
    The new rules speeded the game up, but as long as Wigan are allowed to lie on like they do, we will not see the game we love.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MachineGunFunk View Post
    Do we know why the scrum clock is 35 secs and the drop out one is 30? 35 seems a strange number and just adds unnecessary complication. Surely 30 secs for both would be better.

    And what happens if the team feeding the scrum is ready but the defending team is delaying and the clock runs out? Attacking team gets the pen? And does the VR actually tell the on-filed ref the clock has run out or has he got to check himself?

    If they just enforced the rules as they're written then we wouldn't need these extra devices. I'm sure they'll improve the game but it's skirting round the issues rather than actually dealing with them direct.
    I don't see the problem. Last night we had a fast game with no prolonged breaks thanks to these new measures. The previous rules were clearly open to exploitation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulscnthorpe View Post
    Thought it worked really well last night with the various shot clocks just read that the game lasted 43 minutes and 29 minutes first half and 44 minutes and 57 seconds second half, can't remember the last time a game was done by about 25 to ten, and felt good to get away from the two minute break every time a scrum went down.

    Thought it opened up the game a bit more without forwards just smashing it up the middle over and over again.

    That said it looks like some teams could get absolutely pasted if they're not fit enough

    Final thing hopefully the refs have been instructed to curb their use of the video ref, last year he'd have probably gone for the flower and roby try
    Generally, it seemed to work well, and we did get a faster game (although I was dreading a draw at full time!).
    It was interesting though for one scrum later in the second half. The scrum clock was stopped for one of our forwards, LMS I think, with 'cramp'.
    Make of that what you will

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    Felt like a proper game of rugby last night, minimal stoppages and a war of attrition rather than a set of 6 then a 2 minute break which made us more like union or NFL for lack of flow

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulscnthorpe View Post
    Final thing hopefully the refs have been instructed to curb their use of the video ref, last year he'd have probably gone for the flower and roby try
    And also there would have been several looks at the Percival contact with Hardaker, likely resulting in a sin-bining of Percy and a subsequent “no case to answer” decision by the Disciplinary Committee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KentishBarry View Post
    Generally, it seemed to work well, and we did get a faster game (although I was dreading a draw at full time!).
    It was interesting though for one scrum later in the second half. The scrum clock was stopped for one of our forwards, LMS I think, with 'cramp'.
    Make of that what you will
    It was Makinson who had cramp. The ref stopped the clock and said " is he ok to carry on otherwise he has to go off " inline with the new rule.

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