It’s partly a reflection of the way society and particularly authority has backed up and backed up and allowed the lunatics to take over the asylum under the pretentiousness and restraints of political correctness. Teaching and policing the prime examples. Imagine the systems of yesteryear putting up with the scrotes of today’s society? No individual’s fault, just the restraints and systems they have to work to. Same with referees standing there while being given an earful - it’s gradually become acceptable to have zero respect
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Well, you might be right, but watching selected old videos and relying on memory isn't evidence either way. The fact is we don't have reliable evidence that I know of, so we're all working on impressions coloured by our opinions. It would be good if the RFL shared with us the evidence they have (If any) for the 'campaign's they periodically wage against given offences. At the risk of widening the debate, it's my impression that we see fewer flops than we used to do after referees were instructed to focus on them as a problem.
Back chat is something that did not happen. Now it does. This has happened over a period of time, if watching videos of actual games and players and the interaction between players isn't evidence I don't know what is? You prefer some manipulated stats over visual recordings? Sorry but that is actual evidence, so it's there and it's clear, backmchat and gobbling off to the officials is now part of the game and it wasnt
Back to the thread Percy is a professional and getting a ban for back chat when we are without two of our best players at the moment warrants a big club fine for me.
On a bigger point only the captain should talk to the referee and ANY back chat should be a penalty and a 10 yard march. That will stop it.
As for refereeing standards they simply need to improve.
Learned comment from The Don
I agree with your points but I don’t think anyone else has made the first point on either of the two threads in which refereeing is currently being discussed. Players deserve to be on the receiving end of club discipline when they insult an official, give away a penalty and get a ban. I understand that Percy was frustrated but he should learn a bit of self control.
The Brough incident illustrates the fact that some people never seem to learn but Percy is still young and should not want to become a wasted talent. Someone at the club needs to consider the best way of making him and others in the team, learn from his mistake. Losing your temper is a loss of self control and can lead to further penalties and mistakes on the field. Surely sports psychologists can come up with coping strategies to deal with bad decisions?
As a sport we also need to instill respect for officials even when they get things wrong. I’ve already gone into this on the other thread and listed the use of “sir” to the ref and no first names by the ref as a starting point. When I was young and played rugby at school the ref was always a teacher and “ sir” came naturally from a fairly early age.
It’s frustrating that, when we’ve lost Roby, Walmsley, Swift and, some people think, Fages to injury, a moment’s loss of self control should unnecessarily lose us one of our most talented players. I just think Percy needs to learn from his mistake and a bit of club discipline might help.
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Reading JH latest interview, he pulls no punches about how unacceptable Percy’s reaction was to the penalty. Saying he let the team down and himself.
Humans are more concerned with having than being.
I’ve read the article you’ve posted on the 19 for Huddersfield thread. It makes interesting reading and you’re right, he pulls no punches about Percy’s reaction.
I’m still getting used to JH’s refreshing honesty. No evasion, no excuses and a good analysis of what went wrong at Wakefield.
Seem to remember we use to get him a lot in the Yorkshire away games, didn’t Daniel Anderson blow a gasket over the blokes performance. Might have been DA but didn’t one of our coaches request not to have him ref against us for the remainder of that season.
A few years after retiring he admitted having mental depression problems but I don’t know if that was during game days.