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    Default 19 man squad v Wakefield - Amor dropped

    https://www.saintsrlfc.com/2017/09/0...announced-107/

    Danny Richardson has been recalled to Saints' 19 man squad for Thursday’s crunch Betfred Super League Super 8s Round Five game against Wakefield Trinity.

    The half back comes into the 19 in place of Kyle Amor.

    Justin Holbrook will choose his 17 from:

    1. Jonny Lomax, 2. Tommy Makinson, 3. Ryan Morgan, 4. Mark Percival, 6. Theo Fages, 7. Matty Smith, 8. Alex Walmsley, 9. James Roby, 12. Jon Wilkin, 13. Louie McCarthy-Scarsbrook, 14. Luke Douglas, 16. Luke Thompson, 18. Dominique Peyroux, 20. Morgan Knowles, 24. Danny Richardson, 28. Regan Grace, 32. Matty Lees, 36. Zeb Taia, 37. Ben Barba.
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    Interesting.... back on the bench seems a certainty then




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    So it looks like either we are going 1 forward less or Lees is getting a debut in a straight swap for Amor.

    There are lots of different combinations we could go with so guessing the 17 will be tough. Realistically any 2 from Smith, Fages, Richardson, Lees, Peyroux, Knowles could all miss out. Hopefully Smith will be one of them and then the other is anyone's guess at this stage.
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    Amor deservedly dropped IMO. Lets just hope he follows trend with Smith

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    Is he dropped or injured?
    Big decision to drop him against a strong Wakefield pack.

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    The bottom line is we should be giving these young players a chance. Lees will do ok if he plays. For me Fages should come in as we lack midfield pace. Certainly the tackling need to be more intense than the first 20 minutes against Wigan. Two men in the tackle is not good enough.

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    I am hoping for:

    Barba
    Makinson
    Morgan
    Percival
    Grace
    Lomax
    Richardson
    Walmsley
    Roby
    Douglas
    Taia
    Wilkin
    Knowles

    Thompson
    LMS or Lees
    Payroux
    Fage

    Smith and LMS or Lees to miss out

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    Quote Originally Posted by st.david View Post
    I am hoping for:

    Barba
    Makinson
    Morgan
    Percival
    Grace
    Lomax
    Richardson
    Walmsley
    Roby
    Douglas
    Taia
    Wilkin
    Knowles

    Thompson
    LMS or Lees
    Payroux
    Fage

    Smith and LMS or Lees to miss out
    Looks about right, don't know if it'll be Fages or Smith to drop out

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    Unfortunately with Smith in the squad I think he will feature, which means Fages or Richardson will miss out. But as said above its really difficult to be sure which two will sit this one out. 7pm Thurday will reveal all.
    Will be interesting how the dinner at LP with JH and Ben Barba will go tonight? Wonder if JH will get some uncomfortable questions?
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    We need to do some serious recruitment over the next couple of years, that much is obvious.

    Lomax
    Makinson
    Morgan
    Percival
    Grace
    Barba
    Richardson/Smith
    Douglas
    Roby
    Walmsley
    Taia
    Peyroux
    Wilkin

    Fages
    Thompson
    LMS
    Lees
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    I would go
    1 .barba

    2 makinson
    3 morgan
    4 percival
    5 grace

    6 fages
    7 richardson

    8 douglas
    9 roby
    10 thompson
    11peyroux
    12tiaia
    13wilkin

    14walmsley
    15lms
    16knowles
    17lomax
    A bit light in the forwards but there's not many options

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    [QUOTE=Tez the Saint;710497]We need to do some serious recruitment over the next couple of years, that much is obvious.

    I agree 100% and that is why my worry is that we have been a bit gung-ho with the Barba signing when a more measured approach was/is required..........that said if there is still a large pot of cash available to strengthen post season the BB may be a luxury we can afford. My concern is that by continuing to pick Matty Smith it suggests there isn't a great deal of cash because if there was surely the club would be subsidising his transfer to another club rather than continuing to pick him ahead of younger and better players.

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    For me its a no brainer and Fages has got to be one of our half backs and Holbrook who is supposed to be an attacking coach has got to stop messing about.

    Attacking half back:

    Smith: Tries 2 ..... Try Assists 13.....Clean Breaks 1..... Tackle Busts 6........Offloads 1........Defence 251 tackles

    Fages: Tries 7 ...... Try Assists 9.......Clean Breaks 19....Tackle Busts 44 .....Offloads 14......Defence 537 tackles


    Richardson/Smith/Lomax to miss out in that order.

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    Yes need to recruit

    Barba
    Makinson
    Morgan
    Percival
    Grace

    Lomax
    Richardson

    Lees
    Roby
    Walmesley
    Taia
    Thompson
    Fages

    Douglas
    Peyroux
    Knowles
    LMS

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    Prior to last week JH had decided that Barba/Lomax/Smith was his attacking triangle.
    Last week was it's first run out so I think he may start with it again but have Fages or Richardson on the bench if it isn't working out

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    [QUOTE=paulx2;710500]
    Quote Originally Posted by Tez the Saint View Post
    We need to do some serious recruitment over the next couple of years, that much is obvious.

    I agree 100% and that is why my worry is that we have been a bit gung-ho with the Barba signing when a more measured approach was/is required..........that said if there is still a large pot of cash available to strengthen post season the BB may be a luxury we can afford. My concern is that by continuing to pick Matty Smith it suggests there isn't a great deal of cash because if there was surely the club would be subsidising his transfer to another club rather than continuing to pick him ahead of younger and better players.
    Disagree. When a player of that ability is available, you sign him. Simple as. It shows the ambition of the club moving forward and gives us a lot of press. Moreover, hopefully when he returns home, he speaks about us fondly as a club so that we are in a position to attract other players. It's a marquee signing and a genuine world class player (when match fit) in not just our team but SL as a whole. If Warrington had signed him, we would be criticising the club for not showing ambition.

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    I think JH will go with:

    Barba
    Makinson
    Morgan
    Percival
    Grace
    Lomax
    Smith
    Walmsley
    Roby
    Douglas
    Taia
    Wilkin
    Knowles

    Thompson
    LMS
    Peyroux
    Fages

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    Please not Lomax and Smith again. And you've dropped Richardson!

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    1. Barba
    2. Makinson
    3. Morgan
    4. Percival
    5. Grace
    6. Fages
    7. Richardson
    8. Douglas
    9. Roby
    10. Thompson
    11. Taia
    12. Peyroux
    13. Knowles

    14. Lomax
    15. LMS
    16. Walmsley
    17. Lees

    That would be my selection, but I'm sure that Wilkin will be in there, probably at the expense of Peyroux, and I suspect that Lomax will start at 6 with Fages on the bench, which I'm okay with.

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    1. Lomax
    2. Makinson
    3. Morgan
    4. Percival
    5. Grace

    6. Fages
    7. Richardson

    8. Walmsley
    9. Roby
    10. LMS
    11 Peyroux
    12 Taia
    13 Knowles

    14. Douglas
    15, Thompson
    16. Lees
    17. Barba

    My two penneth:- Wilkin....Smith....Amor have not earned the shirt at the moment. Barba to replace Lomax in the second quarter and Lomax to rest Roby either side of half time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stephen07 View Post
    Got to agree. It would have been silly not to take the opportunity. It's great to have world class players associated with your club. Either it will work out and we will one day speak about him as we do Jamie Lyon and Mal Meninga, or he'll be rubbish and we will look back and laugh like we do with Josh Perry and Michael O'Connor. But you have to try.

    However, I do take the point that it would not be a great recruitment strategy to have spent all the money on one player, however good he is because this team does need a bit of surgery. The lack of any further announcements on signings is a concern in September but I just don't believe that the club aren't going to make any moves because of the money they have spent on Barba. I can't believe they would go all eggs in one basket like that.
    realistically, unless we can offload the rest of the deadwood we are not going to be able to sign any one else, regardless of the Barba signing. Smith, Wilkin, LMS, Amor, Douglas, Morgan, Swift and Lee can sit around for another year (or more) and we have to fit them under the salary cap. Barba is a marquee signing, and obviously his salary cap contribution is a lot less than the others, so he doesn't really affect the ability to sign other players.

    We have to find a way to offload 3 or 4 of that group, or more ideally, before we will have the capacity to sign replacements.
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    My 17

    37. Ben Barba
    2. Tommy Makinson,
    3. Ryan Morgan,
    4. Mark Percival,
    28. Regan Grace,
    6. Theo Fages,
    24. Danny Richardson,
    8. Alex Walmsley,
    9. James Roby,
    16. Luke Thompson,
    18. Dominique Peyroux,
    36. Zeb Taia,
    20. Morgan Knowles,

    1. Jonny Lomax, 13. Louie McCarthy-Scarsbrook, 14. Luke Douglas, 12. Jon Wilkin,

    I would drop Wilkin but given the choices I think he could come on when other forwards are tiring and have more of an impact than he can from the start when he is not big enough to make an impact. He can tackle and he used to be able to run good lines. Going forward towards retirement I would rotate him in and out of the side. There is no reason why we cannot spell second rowers.

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    [QUOTE=Stephen07;710507]
    Quote Originally Posted by Reacher View Post

    Got to agree. It would have been silly not to take the opportunity. It's great to have world class players associated with your club. Either it will work out and we will one day speak about him as we do Jamie Lyon and Mal Meninga, or he'll be rubbish and we will look back and laugh like we do with Josh Perry and Michael O'Connor. But you have to try.

    However, I do take the point that it would not be a great recruitment strategy to have spent all the money on one player, however good he is because this team does need a bit of surgery. The lack of any further announcements on signings is a concern in September but I just don't believe that the club aren't going to make any moves because of the money they have spent on Barba. I can't believe they would go all eggs in one basket like that.
    Not saying you're wrong Stephen and I hope you are right in terms of money being available because I think the team needs more than just a bit of surgery............I would suggest a full lobotomy is required.

    This squad has seen off a fair few coaching set ups...........KC, Long & Lolesi, Traynor & Long + Lolesi and now we are onto JH which makes me think there are a few players who are either not up to the task or are even now still on the gravy train and not up for anything.

    I also question whether it would now be a good idea to sign Zak Hardaker if he became available? The point being that just because a world class player becomes available doesn't mean you need to sign him, especially if you are lacking in other key areas. Don't get me wrong, I am not bagging off BB. I, like you, think he is a mercurial player, I just question the logic behind it when it seems to have resulted in the craziest square pegs in round holes player-go-round since Wilkin became Jonathan Thurston...........it seems more disruptive than anything in terms of too much class in one area and not enough in other areas.

    I just hope that BB is the first part of the jigsaw rather than the final piece, that's all.

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    I see Amor has taken being dropped in a professional manner. Has time to post another stupid Instagram video.

    If I was him I would be looking at improving my game.


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    [QUOTE=Stephen07;710525]
    Quote Originally Posted by paulx2 View Post

    I was being polite with the term surgery. There's half a dozen at least that I'd love to see the back of. I don't think the squad saw off the Traynor, Long, Lolesi coaching arrangement. It was only ever meant to be temporary until a full time replacement for KC was appointed.

    I agree with you on Hardaker but I'm not sure where that idea comes from anyway. It would be a very strange move to sign Barba, one of the best fullbacks in the world, and then go and get Hardaker, one of the best fullbacks in the world. Unless you see Barba in the halves but the NRL watchers on here are adamant that he wouldn't be any good there.

    Wherever you play Barba I don't see that he does the team any harm so long as he produces what we know he is capable of. There's no telling from one game whether he will be able to do that or not. But you have to give him the chance and that means sticking with him. It is the job of Mr Holbrook to work out who else is best placed to serve the needs of the team in the other positions. A lot of people, me included, thought he got it wrong last week leaving Fages out but others have made the argument that Fages drifts in and out of games and can be a bit underwhelming himself. And that is a reasonable argument. Whoever we play in the halves will have flaws and they won't get the help they need until we do something about our pack.
    To be successful, you need a strong pack and a settled half-back pairing. Of which (at the moment), we have neither

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