Originally Posted by
Saint_Claire
The flip side to that comment is that it is your assumption that they don't and that you have no idea either. Their general demeanour and body language suggests they feel able to do more or less what they want. The precedent has been set that despite some dreadful decisions the worst that happens is they have to do a week in Batley or similar.
I never made an assumption they do or don't, I didn't pass judgement, the fact is nobody knows what they are thinking only them, drawing a conclusion from body laungauge coulld be very inaccurate as this is during the game, not sure what body language you'd expect but I don't see any difference to the refs of 20 years ago. There have been some rare exceptions, these should be dealt with but shouldn't be seen as the norm
That's a ridiculous comment. Amateur refs do a better job of reffing amateur players than professional refs do of reffing professional players and that is to be expected?? It's their full time job, they should know the rules explicitly and have a very high general fitness level, so speed shouldn't be an issue. The refs doing the kids or even open age games have school/work and do not have the time to rewatch games etc or receive one to one guidance. Of course I expect the professional referees to do a better job!
The game is slower, much slower, I watch a lot of it, there are just as many mistakes at every level of the game tbh, just doesn't get the same exposure. If amateur refs were as good as you say why are they not in super league, if it's as simple as just selecting them as they are inherently better? One of the refs who got promoted last year got lots of praise in their first few games then I saw posts from fans saying they thought he was good but then realised he is just as bad as the others, has nobody yet realised this isn't the person but the position they are in? My post pointed out that the rules and players need to be sorted to help refs
Who mentioned sheer hate? I haven't seen a single post declaring they hate referees. Sheer frustration would be a better description. People are frustrated and sometimes do go way too far, and I agree that this should not happen, but hate is the wrong word. The way to stop this happening is to do a better job. I'm not sure what point you are trying to make with the filming issue. This surely gives them a huge advantage and allows them to make the correct decision, so it's a help, not a hindrance. What is a hindrance is the ridiculous use of it, with this on field decision malarkey. That needs to go. They either know it's a try or they aren't sure. End of. Refer it if you aren't sure and make a decision based on what you can see, usually very clearly, on the screen.
Filming ensure all viewers get to see the play over and over, the ref doesn't get that, so again the exposure is there and so follows the scrutiny. I dont like the video ref, not sure what they should do with it to make it better. I liked the in goal officials
Hate is maybe the wrong word but when you see countless posts from frustrated annoyed fans it certainly looks like hate to me
Some of this I do agree with - especially the part about the abuse amateur refs get. I have seen some disgraceful touchline behaviour. Saying that, when they report a club/team, NWC do clamp down on it and issue fines - they make a real effort to encourage better touchline behaviour.
[ there are systems but they are not very affective, not sure how it can be improved as some coaches don't feel there is anything wrong with their conduct [/B]
The main issue is that different referees treat the same incidents differently. If they all sung from the same hymn sheet, both fans and players would know where they stood and players would behave accordingly and there would be less antagonism of the crowd. You will always get a few prats who will scream but that's the way it's always been. The answer to the issue is better training, an in depth understanding of every single rule and consistency, and treating both teams equally. I am not asking for total transparency - but if a ref has a total shocker, I expect to see a marked improvement the week after, that is a perfectly fair expectation to have.
Consistency is difficult and you hear that they aim for consistency in the game not necassarily from game to game, I presume this is refernce to the amount of time holding down etc. We all want an improvement every week, but the pitch fork mobs won't achieve that, education, support, clarity, working together, understanding etc will help us towards a better product. 'Accountability' and 'transparency' just sounds to me like public humiliation, this may make frustrated fans and coaches feel better but it won't achieve an improved product
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