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    Quote Originally Posted by fishy3005 View Post
    Walsh's heart seems more in it lately and he really seems to want to play for the club, with a smile on his face.
    I agree that the injury did knock his confidence, but i questioned his heart prior to the injury and ive always been of the opinion that playing in the Vee meant little more to him than a wage slip.
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    Sorry but even I can't accept that. When he made his debut my reaction was "Where the bloody hell have they found this guy!" He really was that good and even though I'm a pie, he was a joy to watch. His goal kicking was clinical and he could make a 40/20 just for fun. Saints were on course to be unbeatable that year. The injury was a tragedy. Not just for Saints but for the British game. He could have become another legend!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoldMiners View Post
    Sorry but even I can't accept that. When he made his debut my reaction was "Where the bloody hell have they found this guy!" He really was that good and even though I'm a pie, he was a joy to watch. His goal kicking was clinical and he could make a 40/20 just for fun. Saints were on course to be unbeatable that year. The injury was a tragedy. Not just for Saints but for the British game. He could have become another legend!


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    Quote Originally Posted by WA10 View Post
    Using that logic why are we playing Walsh at all, let's get used to operating without our arguably best player so we can see how poor we'll be next season.

    Maybe Percival is the better goal kicker or Walsh is carring a knock?
    If it is only temporary for injury. Why not have Owens kick, while he is playing. It's one of his better traits. It makes sense for Percival if he's planned to be 1st choice kicker next season due to no Walsh, and Owens not being first choice to be on the pitch when we have Makinson back, or new players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS View Post
    His injury was way beyond the norm. If you can't recognise the difference in your psychology between say, a muscle strain and a compound fracture of your leg, then I can't help you. Again as I said, severe lack of common sense on this board.
    Exactly this. 14 months ago I had a compound fracture of both the bones in my left forearm. Still have plates in (like Walsh will have). It still hurts like •••• if they get as much as slapped due to nerves. And I have still never returned to contact sports, and honestly don't think I will. Regardless of being a professional rugby player, he is still human. And the fact he was back, and playing at all as soon as he was is impressive, and extremely brave. It takes a long time to get that confidence back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lihp View Post
    Exactly this. 14 months ago I had a compound fracture of both the bones in my left forearm. Still have plates in (like Walsh will have). It still hurts like •••• if they get as much as slapped due to nerves. And I have still never returned to contact sports, and honestly don't think I will. Regardless of being a professional rugby player, he is still human. And the fact he was back, and playing at all as soon as he was is impressive, and extremely brave. It takes a long time to get that confidence back.
    its his job though, injuries are part of the game lomax has has 2 knees rebuild hes not "gunshy" is he?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoldMiners View Post
    Sorry but even I can't accept that. When he made his debut my reaction was "Where the bloody hell have they found this guy!" He really was that good and even though I'm a pie, he was a joy to watch. His goal kicking was clinical and he could make a 40/20 just for fun. Saints were on course to be unbeatable that year. The injury was a tragedy. Not just for Saints but for the British game. He could have become another legend!
    Don't be daft. His Warrington debut was 3 or 4 months prior to his injury. Believe me, their were some pretty average performances in between.
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    Let's have a look at 2014, before his major injury. There were two shockers for the whole team before he got badly hurt, at Wire and when we got battered 42-0 at Catalans. Other than that, people have literally not a clue about what really happened, so I'll break it down for all.

    Of the first 22 rounds of Walsh's first season (Round 22 being Widnes at home on July 25th when Walsh broke his leg), Walsh had already missed 5 full fixtures. He went off at HT at home to Catalans in March and missed the next two, Wakey away and Leeds at home. He went off at home to Wigan, when we lost and missed the next game away at Widnes, where we lost. He went off away at Wigan after 20 minutes, when we won. He missed the 3 games following leaving the field away at Wigan in June: HKR away, London away and Bradford at home. He returned at home to Widnes and snapped his leg in the same game.

    Of the games Walsh fully played, we won our opening 8 fixtures and with him on the field, we averaged 35 points a game, were running away with top spot and big favourites to be winning silverware. Walsh was the most creative player in the league, one of our highest try scorers and overwhelming favourite to win the Man of Steel. We won 16 of the 21 games prior to his injury and of the five we lost, he was missing completely or partially from three of them.

    The reality is Walsh was the best half in the country by miles prior to the major injury he suffered and that was 3rd knock already suffered in the opening 22 matches. All this stuff about his attitude, defence and everything else is just ridiculous and nothing more than rewriting history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS View Post
    All this stuff about his attitude, defence and everything else is just ridiculous and nothing more than rewriting history.

    Snipped it but that is a great post, I especially liked the bit I've quoted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JB1973 View Post
    its his job though, injuries are part of the game lomax has has 2 knees rebuild hes not "gunshy" is he?
    Lomax is constantly strapped up. He constantly stays down in any hard tackle, or awkward tackle till he is checked by a physio. Lomax also doesn't have metal work. Which is the key bit, bones flex a bit, tintanium rods, pins, and plates don't. So you're at a much higher risk of a refracture on the ends of the pin where the bone flexes and cracks.

    Walsh's injury was far more severe than Lomax's and will still have his pinned/plated for at least another year., and Lomax's behaviour still wouldn't convince me he's confident with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishy3005 View Post
    Don't be daft. His Warrington debut was 3 or 4 months prior to his injury. Believe me, their were some pretty average performances in between.
    He started off at Warrington brilliantly, but I don't believe he ever hit those heights again, I think because we hadn't had a proper scrum half for a number of years, people were prepared to give him some latitude, his defence was at best average.

    After saying that Matty Smith, is not a patch on him.

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    Of the games Walsh was fully involved in prior to his injury in 2014, we conceded an average of 18 points a game.

    On our present winning streak, won 6 on the bounce built on better defence, we're conceding an average of 16 points a game.

    These fanciful ideas of Walsh always being some dreadful defender who kills us in defence are fantastic until someone actually throws facts into the mix.

    Walsh is and was absolutely crucial to our team. We've been a million miles better with him in the side since he joined and are far worse without him. Our attack and decision making are way ahead of when he isn't there and the truth is we'll only realise how important he is to us when we're having our attack and decisions orchestrated by some other appalling 7 next season. You've had a bona fide NRL 7 directing our side for 3 seasons and rather than appreciate it, you'd rather point out that as a half, he's vulnerable defensively. I'll say one thing, we won't be having a 7 of Walsh's quality for a long time here again. Some on this board deserve it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scouse Don View Post
    It is a damn shame that he got that injury.He is a fine player and we will miss him if he goes. Is he going for sure? I am not too bothered if your most creative player is not a great defender it's other peoples job to defend. Longy is a saints great and one of the worst defenders we have had.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JB1973 View Post
    its his job though, injuries are part of the game lomax has has 2 knees rebuild hes not "gunshy" is he?
    Lomax isn't running.around with titanium plates in his legs.The severity of the injury that LW suffered has finished many a career.

    I don't see how any man that takes to the Superleague field can be described as gun shy,

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    We know nothing about anything do we. All we know is Dawson and Turner won't be at Saints in 2017 and Burns and Savelio are likely not to be either.

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    It does seem like Luke Walsh is on his way and I think that will be a huge loss for the team. I kept a close eye on Walsh on Thursday, and the work he does off the ball is as impressive as the work he does with the ball. He was organising us really well and that seemed to benefit Turner.

    His kicking game is excellent, I would go as far as to say that his field kicking is the best in the league and he's a very good goal kicker. As has already been said, the start he made in 2014 was excellent, and I felt he was scapegoated as going missing in big games unfairly. There were a couple were he was anonymous, but they coincided with woeful team performances were even world class half backs could have done little. After his injury, he didn't really play in that many for the next 12 months.

    It wasn't a surprise that he was tentative after such a bad injury, and there's no doubt his confidence took a hit. It took him a while, but he has improved a lot of in defence as the season has progressed and has a hand in the majority of our attacking moves, being near the top of the try-assists table, which is critical for a scrum half.

    Whoever we get in will probably be a downgrade on Walsh and I hope the club are offering big money for him to stay. But if he wants to go back home, there's little we can do.

    I think if Walsh does go, he may be a player whose impact we only appreciate when he isn't there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WA10 View Post
    Lomax isn't running.around with titanium plates in his legs.The severity of the injury that LW suffered has finished many a career.

    I don't see how any man that takes to the Superleague field can be described as gun shy,

    well he wouldnt tackle, wouldnt take the ball into contact and basically avoided any physical contact with the opposition he was "gunshy" imo

    his defence has improved in recent weeks tbh, ps two knee reconstructions are as bad as ankle break id guess?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallahassee View Post
    We know nothing about anything do we. All we know is Dawson and Turner won't be at Saints in 2017 and Burns and Savelio are likely not to be either.

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    I have been critical of the club for not bringing in replacements for this season, but it's difficult to argue with Cunningham's decision now, given the way the team is performing at the minute.

    So there's no need for Saints to panic, because there are still plenty of moves to be decided within the NRL, which will obviously then influence who is available/willing to come over here. And of course what happens in the Super and Middle 8's over here, will also play a part.

    St Helens will have good cap space to play with for next year, and that's the most important thing.

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    Would be good if our forwards could give Walsh some protection next week against the Catalans bruisers who I think will throw everything at us. Probably this is the game we need to win more than most in the super 8's. If we lose, the impetus could go back in Catalans favour regarding finishing fourth. I notice that Catalans play both cup finalists either side of the cup final too which could play to their advantage!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Houghwood Saint View Post
    Would be good if our forwards could give Walsh some protection next week against the Catalans bruisers who I think will throw everything at us. Probably this is the game we need to win more than most in the super 8's. If we lose, the impetus could go back in Catalans favour regarding finishing fourth. I notice that Catalans play both cup finalists either side of the cup final too which could play to their advantage!
    Cliché time (it's a four pointer), but you are correct it is a massive game.

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    Although your NOT stevo your post is spot on , plenty of time left to sort things out for next year = , cap space availability , players leaving , availability let's not forget so many had written this season off already , and for now no panic buys "especially" smith on a free. As "rushy" said to me a few weeks ago and I quote "we are talking to several" . Just hope we are now not talking to a halfback from wigan.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Stephenson View Post
    I have been critical of the club for not bringing in replacements for this season, but it's difficult to argue with Cunningham's decision now, given the way the team is performing at the minute.

    So there's no need for Saints to panic, because there are still plenty of moves to be decided within the NRL, which will obviously then influence who is available/willing to come over here. And of course what happens in the Super and Middle 8's over here, will also play a part.

    St Helens will have good cap space to play with for next year, and that's the most important thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roy litherland View Post
    Although your NOT stevo your post is spot on , plenty of time left to sort things out for next year = , cap space availability , players leaving , availability let's not forget so many had written this season off already , and for now no panic buys "especially" smith on a free. As "rushy" said to me a few weeks ago and I quote "we are talking to several" . Just hope we are now not talking to a halfback from wigan.
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    As I have said before when people where going on about Turner being crap and Walsh being crap, Wilkin being crap. Fortunately you are not running the club otherwise we could be visiting Championship opposition next year . There is nothing wrong with Smith. He is an English international who will put in a performance. In fact he would play better at Saint's in a different structure. I remember England playing George Williams in the last international series and then having to bring back Smith to steady the ship. He is a good professional who would not be the worse signing. In fact I regularly see several of our recent signings currently out on the pitch who are not fit enough to lace his boots.

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