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    The problem with the leave campaign is that everyone involved in it is such a massive bellend

    Lots of people have already made their mind up but when undecided look at the type of people at the forefront of Leave they can't help voting Remain

    Obviously every angry, ignorant racist will vote Leave too - do ordinary people want to be associated with that?

    (obviously not everyone who votes Leave is an angry, ignorant racist - some will have good reasons to vote that way)

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    Quote Originally Posted by retro74 View Post
    the problem with the leave campaign is that everyone involved in it is such a massive bellend

    lots of people have already made their mind up but when undecided look at the type of people at the forefront of leave they can't help voting remain

    obviously every angry, ignorant racist will vote leave too - do ordinary people want to be associated with that?

    (obviously not everyone who votes leave is an angry, ignorant racist - some will have good reasons to vote that way)
    corbyn blair cameron remain camp say no more

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    Both sides littered with ball bags. Take that away and read the hard facts of what we achieve by being in the EU or more to the point type in on Google UK's contribution into the EU compared to what we get back then compare it to all other EU countries minus the Germans and it tells a thousand stories.

    Corrupt organisation no better than FIFA.

    UK is the 5th biggest economy in the world. We're more than capable.

    Out

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonSaintWiggin View Post
    corbyn blair cameron remain camp say no more
    Blair and Cameron fair enough, but what has Corbyn done apart from tell the truth and stand up for what he believes in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 141 View Post
    Blair and Cameron fair enough, but what has Corbyn done apart from tell the truth and stand up for what he believes in?
    He doesn't believe in Europe for a start, and never has done. One of the original Euro-sceptics, now forced to totally change his position to stop his entire party rebelling against him.

    One of the clearest examples of the shambles of modern politics.

    Blair should be up for war crimes. Cameron's traditional stance has been as a sceptic as well, along with Corby.

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    After careful consideration I voted IN. The only really sensible option to prevent effective protection of the rights of all citizens.

    A leave vote would have decimated the investment in the North and lead to in my opinion a worrying racist element getting some influence.

    We still need to spearhead reform though.
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    It's looking more and more likely that Remain will win, unless the bookies and various polls have got it horribly wrong

    The thing I find odd about the whole thing is that even if Leave did score a narrow win the Government could choose to reject the result anyway

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    Question... Would any one on here knowing what we know about the EU vote to join if we currently did not hold membership??

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    100% I'd vote to join. I'd never throw my hat in with the racists even if I was better off as a result

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    Well 72% of the country spoke.Be careful what you wish for.
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    Im guessing a large chunk of that 48% were 21 year old silver spoon pretentious tree hugging vegans from London
    screaming in the family corner, scaring the kiddies

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    Quote Originally Posted by retro74 View Post
    It's looking more and more likely that Remain will win, unless the bookies and various polls have got it horribly wrong

    The thing I find odd about the whole thing is that even if Leave did score a narrow win the Government could choose to reject the result anyway
    No they cannot.
    However if you are already in EU they can make you vote again until you vote how they want you to........ Ireland voted against the Lisbon treaty they were told to vote again the way EU wanted...... very democratic eh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by retro74 View Post
    100% I'd vote to join. I'd never throw my hat in with the racists even if I was better off as a result
    Racist they may be but the EU performed a coup in Greece, if any other nation/union had done the same it would be classed as an invasion
    and troops would be deployed.
    EU also ousted Italian government and implemented their view of that country.

    The greatest threat to democracy is self governance. UK has proved itself a true democracy well done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stephen07 View Post
    So Cameron calls a referendum on the EU despite the fact that the vast majority of people know rock all about the EU and the consequences of leaving. Right up until yesterday social media was flooded with people barfing on about how important it is to use their vote on the one hand but how on the other they 'haven't been given enough information to make a choice'. These are people who can't use Google, then?

    Cameron then loses said referendum and then resigns leaving someone else to clean up his shit. Truly this is the worst thing Britain has done since it elected Thatcher.
    And if he hadn't resigned someone would be blaming Thatcher and and asking how is it possible he could continue.


    And until he matches the war criminal Blair he is nowhere near the worst thing


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    Confirmation only that most people are a bit thick.

    A vote for Boris Johnson by most non thinking british people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scouse Don View Post
    Confirmation only that most people are a bit thick.

    A vote for Boris Johnson by most non thinking british people.
    Thick because they don't conform to your way of thinking? Thankfully we live in a liberal country were democracy exists. 52% of the electorate wanted out of the EU , that is the simple fact.
    Thick for me is allowing people like George Osboune to stand in front of millions and sell a bankrupt Britain with high taxes, no jobs & failing housing market in the result of a 'brexit' yet we hear Marc Carney (head of Bank of England) confirm this morning the country is in safe hands. Provisions have been made well in advance which have included the input of Mr Osbourne, interest rates will be stable, lending will continue & life will continue as normal.
    This country will do absolutely fine out of the EU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickles Forearm View Post
    Thick because they don't conform to your way of thinking? Thankfully we live in a liberal country were democracy exists. 52% of the electorate wanted out of the EU , that is the simple fact.
    Thick for me is allowing people like George Osboune to stand in front of millions and sell a bankrupt Britain with high taxes, no jobs & failing housing market in the result of a 'brexit' yet we hear Marc Carney (head of Bank of England) confirm this morning the country is in safe hands. Provisions have been made well in advance which have included the input of Mr Osbourne, interest rates will be stable, lending will continue & life will continue as normal.
    This country will do absolutely fine out of the EU.
    I hope you are right.But it is only a hope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fishy3005 View Post
    Im guessing a large chunk of that 48% were 21 year old silver spoon pretentious tree hugging vegans from London
    Made me chuckle this :-) . So true as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by 141 View Post
    Blair and Cameron fair enough, but what has Corbyn done apart from tell the truth and stand up for what he believes in?
    He tells 'a truth'. I can't stand his politics but I will agree he at least seems to believe the tripe he spouts.

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    My biggest concern is that we have just effectively given the Conservatives ultimate power - they are likely to win the next election as there's no viable alternative, and the few laws protecting working people were European so they can continue their policy of stripping away our rights and finances whilst building a haven for the rich. Sadly I don't think anywhere north of Watford will benefit from the financial changes- as usual, the working classes will continue to get taken for a ride.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickles Forearm View Post
    Thick because they don't conform to your way of thinking? Thankfully we live in a liberal country were democracy exists. 52% of the electorate wanted out of the EU , that is the simple fact.
    Thick for me is allowing people like George Osboune to stand in front of millions and sell a bankrupt Britain with high taxes, no jobs & failing housing market in the result of a 'brexit' yet we hear Marc Carney (head of Bank of England) confirm this morning the country is in safe hands. Provisions have been made well in advance which have included the input of Mr Osbourne, interest rates will be stable, lending will continue & life will continue as normal.
    This country will do absolutely fine out of the EU.
    Get ready for a shock, hope you have nice deep pockets. What did you expect Carney to come out and say, "were ••••ed"? He's trying to stop the pound and the FTSE continuing to sink like a stone.

    This should never have happened as quite simply not enough of the population understood the implications.

    This is an absolute disaster for the UK and the effect will be horrendous.

    But we'll done all those who followed the bullshit £350 million to the NHS or the up of the drawbridge.

    Guess what, they ain't happening, but enjoy paying more for the same and the losses to property, pensions, investment, jobs, etc, etc..

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    Luckily Captain James Cook didn't check how deep the water was before he set sail eh

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    Quote Originally Posted by N0.1 Saint View Post
    He tells 'a truth'. I can't stand his politics but I will agree he at least seems to believe the tripe he spouts.
    Pity his constituents don't. He's the worst of the lot. The puppet who took exception to his strings being pulled.

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    We're absolutely f*cked, no two ways about it

    Thickos duped into voting for the establishment on false claims and lies

    The Tories must be about 10 hours into a 24 hour party by now

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    I'm not sure labelling the majority of people in this country "thick" or "racist" is the right thing to do, but it demonstrates the humility with which the Remain camp have taken the democratic result of this referendum.

    This is a vote against not just Europe IMO, but modern politics. People are frankly sick of it. Being told that austerity is needed and yet the wealthy continue gaining wealth; being told it's the bottom classes that must pay for the crimes of the rich; being railroaded into further and further integration into Europe, despite not a person having a vote on it. It's evident still, the narrative being created is that people have fallen for lies, or that campaigners didn't campaign well enough. All nonsense - how about the realisation that the majority in this country simply do not want to be a part of Europe. I believe that's a real visceral aspect of British people. It isn't racist, it isn't jingoistic and it isn't bigoted - it's a basic truth. Continental Europeans are different to the UK generally on a macro level; on a micro level the differences between the people of say, Spain and those of Denmark are enormously different. You can't put all this together, stick your head in the sand and pretend it'll work. It won't and the first time a nation has been asked to confirm their position regarding Europe, they've stuck two fingers up to Brussels and said no. It's hardly surprising.

    Corbyn was elected with a massive grassroots majority by espousing genuine traditional Labour values - socialism. And how did his MPs respond ? They threatened to, and some did, walk away. They refused to work with him. They're blaming him now. So the people of this country that support traditional left wing Labour values choose their man, and the Labour politicians that don't like those values and are instead pseudo centre right Tories hell bent on their place in the sun in glorious London decide bollox to what people want, it doesn't suit our agenda, so we'll do precisely the opposite of what democracy tells us and do our own thing. It's nonsense.

    Don't get me started on Conservatism. A party so devoid of morality that they push people to using food banks whilst the income of the top percentages continue to rise.

    Politics is in deep, deep trouble. It's seeing the rise of the right in the US, the right in continental European nations and the most liberal of them all - the UK - have joined in and shown their dislike and refusal to be taken for fools. We are close to entering an age of extremes in world politics, the likes of which hasn't been seen since the 1930s, when the left and right last raised their heads. It was a result of idiotic politics then, and it's a result of it now.
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