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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathon1964 View Post
    I have lived in Chester all my life and we have never produced anybody of note.
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    Pat Sanderson, Alex Sanderson and Ben Foden?
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    And, FYI, Tweddle is South African.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FW de KLERK View Post
    Many world class companies also! Not so long ago 2, yes 2, St Helens companies where in the FTSE Top 10; Pilkingtons and Beechams. How many other UK towns, let alone RL towns/cities can boast such a fact?
    Depends if you call 15 years not so long ago. The sad reality is that Beechams is long gone and Pilks have 1 operational float line left in the town.

    Dont worry though, there are loads of world class charity shops, Poundlands and Chinese buffets to work in.

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    Tommy ????? Man Utd full back and later led St Helens Town to FA Vase. Sad to say can't remember his surname. Will be about 60ish now.

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    Tommy O'Neill ?

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    I think that's right, his daughter was in my year at school. Seem to remember her bringing the vase in for assembly

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyl View Post
    Depends if you call 15 years not so long ago. The sad reality is that Beechams is long gone and Pilks have 1 operational float line left in the town.

    Dont worry though, there are loads of world class charity shops, Poundlands and Chinese buffets to work in.
    Beechams was taken over by Smithkline and then both were swallowed up by Glaxo. Beechams as a brand however still exists so as far as I'm concerned there is still a link with the town. As for Pilks they still very much exist it's just that with modernisation things aint what they used to be. My point is that St Helens is pretty unique in being the home town of 2 of the UK's biggest companies. TBH 15 years is not that long ago really in the overall scheme of things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathon1964 View Post
    My original point still stands though, it still produces many world class athletes.
    Ray Ranson, professional footballer.
    John Lyon the boxer. Has he been mentioned already?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedVee Admin View Post
    And, FYI, Tweddle is South African.
    Yes, and lives in Bunbury, not Chester. Did go to queens school though. A bit like the singer, Duffy. She went to Chester Uni when it was a college and worked for a bit in Alexander's Jazz Bar, so Chester papers and council etc claimed her. Born and bred in North West Wales! There are some good am boxers in the Saltney boxing club though. I believe they do well in national comps.
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    Both Billy Benyon and John Walsh could have been professional footballers. Keith Van Vollenhoven, Voll's eldest son of course, was born in St Helens and became a world class 400 metre hurdler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedVee Admin View Post
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    Not sure where Foden lived but he went to school in Malpas, 16 miles from Chester. So he wasn't from Chester its self.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FW de KLERK View Post
    Beechams was taken over by Smithkline and then both were swallowed up by Glaxo. Beechams as a brand however still exists so as far as I'm concerned there is still a link with the town. As for Pilks they still very much exist it's just that with modernisation things aint what they used to be. My point is that St Helens is pretty unique in being the home town of 2 of the UK's biggest companies. TBH 15 years is not that long ago really in the overall scheme of things.
    all very romantic and all that but the fact still remains that Beechams make nothing in this town and Pilks make almost nothing in this town. 2 Years ago Pilks had 3 float lines running and it is now one.

    To me, that isnt something to be proud of, both companies have sold the town down the river.

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    I was talking to the MD of pound bakery, he is very impressed with business in St Helens, flying off the shelves he told me. Life in the old town yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Furlongs View Post
    I was talking to the MD of pound bakery, he is very impressed with business in St Helens, flying off the shelves he told me. Life in the old town yet.


    I really hope you are being sarcastic

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyl View Post
    all very romantic and all that but the fact still remains that Beechams make nothing in this town and Pilks make almost nothing in this town. 2 Years ago Pilks had 3 float lines running and it is now one.

    To me, that isnt something to be proud of, both companies have sold the town down the river.
    I take your point but isn't 1 floatline instead of 3 something to do with the recession? Whatever the situation is now, and I'm the first to admit that St Helens (like many other towns I could name) is suffering badly, but I am and forever will be proud of the town's industrial heritage and what companies like Pilks have achieved with the help of the town's workforce. I certainly don't believe they have sold the town down the river more like have had to move with the times and market forces. But hey, it's just my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyl View Post
    all very romantic and all that but the fact still remains that Beechams make nothing in this town and Pilks make almost nothing in this town. 2 Years ago Pilks had 3 float lines running and it is now one.
    According to a friend of mine whose husband still works in management at Pilks, the float lines reflect the need for glass based on the housebuilding market. However, while only one float glass line is presently operational,they did expand their manufacturing base in St Helens a couple of years back. That work is still ongoing.

    Obviously, Pilks isn't the presence it once was, not by any stretch of the imagination. It's even withdrawn its funding from the glass museum. But it is still holding on here, just about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedVee Admin View Post
    Pat Sanderson, Alex Sanderson and Ben Foden?
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    Heard of Foden no idea who the others are, didn't realise he came from Chester.

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    Well, and this applies equally to Liverpool as well! Merseyside as a concept threw St Helens into a place it will struggle to extract itself from, I do feel industry Beechams especially was encouraged to move to Brentford and well the coal mines will always be a debate.

    Add into the mix a council so complacent we have a 71 year old going to Westminster, a council leader who loves pound bakery, but hey they cant take Robes, Wello, and by default Wilkin away from us. Top sportsmen from a badly let down town.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathon1964 View Post
    Heard of Foden no idea who the others are, didn't realise he came from Chester.
    He doesn't Jon. He lived in Cholmondley. Of coarse most people for miles around where born in the Countess anyway. So I suppose you could say he does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FW de KLERK View Post
    I take your point but isn't 1 floatline instead of 3 something to do with the recession? Whatever the situation is now, and I'm the first to admit that St Helens (like many other towns I could name) is suffering badly, but I am and forever will be proud of the town's industrial heritage and what companies like Pilks have achieved with the help of the town's workforce. I certainly don't believe they have sold the town down the river more like have had to move with the times and market forces. But hey, it's just my opinion.
    I guess as you say, it depends on how you look at it.

    The recession started in 08 yet Pilks initially increased their manufacturing in st Helens in approx 2011 before shutting acouple of lines down. The recession was (or is that is !!!) a global one, yet Pilks still manufacture strongly in India, Chine and (im pretty sure) Poland, all of which are a part of the recession.

    Now some may call that market forces, moving with the times, while others would call it $h1tting on the local workforce who at the end of the day made Pilks the world class glass maker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Furlongs View Post
    A good comparison is with Warrington. Besides not winning the title for 59 years and not counting, they don't produce much of anything really? Eillen Bilton I remember her name and Warrington.
    Or even more embarrassing Kerry Katona!

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    Half the Wigginers were probably born at Billinge
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    I think George Formby is buried in Warrington.

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    And the other half share the same DNA.

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