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    Quote Originally Posted by MancSaint View Post
    Very short answer-yes a third party can report the crime to GMP
    Clearly there is enough evidence to prove the offence took place and who the offender is.
    However it's not really in the public interest to pursue the case, even though a conviction would be certain.
    It would also be argued there are mitigating circumstances for Flower.
    Best dealt with by the club.
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    It's a slippery slope for me that

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulscnthorpe View Post
    Correct

    It's a slippery slope for me that
    But is it. What's the difference between what he did on the pitch and ft ping the same thing on a Saturday night I any city centre. He might cop a 6 match ban but do that off the pitch and he's inside.
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    This is shocking. Not normal. Didn't see it at the game as I was following the ball and no view of the big screen. Flower looks like he's on something. Needs testing. Has brought the game into disrepute and the RFL must act.

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    Quote Originally Posted by St Steve View Post
    But is it. What's the difference between what he did on the pitch and ft ping the same thing on a Saturday night I any city centre. He might cop a 6 match ban but do that off the pitch and he's inside.
    Enough. We don't want players prosecuting others. What he did was was wrong but it stays on the pitch


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    Quote Originally Posted by St Steve View Post
    But is it. What's the difference between what he did on the pitch and ft ping the same thing on a Saturday night I any city centre. He might cop a 6 match ban but do that off the pitch and he's inside.
    Not many end up inside for that on a Saturday mate. Let's leave it as a rugby matter. Won us the final and puts Wigan in a bad situation. Chairman and sponsors won't be happy or super league.

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    Never seen anything like that, ever!

    If the RFL don't sine die, they should be forced to step down. Cannot allow the game to be associated with that.

    LH should definitely press charges. I would never advocate pressing charges for a one-off punch, but THAT was beyond normal behaviour, Jesus, you could argue it was attempted murder!!

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    Lance had been in great form in recent games and was our main man for field position and tactics. He also puts in a hell of a shift defensively.

    Flower behaved like a total scumbag, but possibly a pre-meditated attack on our main tactical threat.

    Whatever, Lance has a Grand Final winners ring, Flower and the rest of the dirty pie munching rats (At least 7 high tackles went unpunished) have a season of failure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vince St Clair View Post
    Never seen anything like that, ever!

    If the RFL don't sine die, they should be forced to step down. Cannot allow the game to be associated with that.

    LH should definitely press charges. I would never advocate pressing charges for a one-off punch, but THAT was beyond normal behaviour, Jesus, you could argue it was attempted murder!!
    No you couldn't. Sorry that's to far. First bits good though. Going to be good watching the authorities squirm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vince St Clair View Post
    Never seen anything like that, ever!

    If the RFL don't sine die, they should be forced to step down. Cannot allow the game to be associated with that.

    LH should definitely press charges. I would never advocate pressing charges for a one-off punch, but THAT was beyond normal behaviour, Jesus, you could argue it was attempted murder!!
    But it isn't Hohia's decision whether to press charges or not, that's down to the CPS. I would guarantee the CPS would not put this case before the courts.
    If you're referring to a private prosecution then yes he could, but to what end? As a professional sportsman there wouldn't be any loss of earnings for example, as there would be if you or I had been assaulted in the street and as a result of our injuries couldn't work.
    Except in the case of a career ending injury caused by reckless play or actions outside the rules of the game, I don't believe this is a route we should pursue.

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    It was disgusting behaviour and he should have the book thrown at him in terms of a ban. I wouldn't be bringing criminal charges into this though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonny nick View Post
    No you couldn't. Sorry that's to far. First bits good though. Going to be good watching the authorities squirm.
    Not suggesting it was, or that it could be proven (very much doubt it could). Just that it could be argued. That LH was out cold before he hit the deck was clear for all the see. What Flower did then was intended to do damage.



    Quote Originally Posted by MancSaint View Post
    But it isn't Hohia's decision whether to press charges or not, that's down to the CPS. I would guarantee the CPS would not put this case before the courts.
    If you're referring to a private prosecution then yes he could, but to what end? As a professional sportsman there wouldn't be any loss of earnings for example, as there would be if you or I had been assaulted in the street and as a result of our injuries couldn't work.
    Except in the case of a career ending injury caused by reckless play or actions outside the rules of the game, I don't believe this is a route we should pursue.

    I would agree 100% if it were just the 1st punch or if both had been thrown before Lance hit the ground. I'm sure 90% of players will be sickened by that cowardly attack & wouldn't want that in the game (not talking Biff, just that last punch). If that isn't punished properly, next time it happens & the outcome is worse, people may regret not making an example.

    Re CPS not charging, I know it was Scotland, but Duncan Ferguson's butt was nothing compared to that.

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    I can't think why so many fans where shocked by this act of thuggery by Wigan. They have always clung to the idea that getting RID of the opposing teams playmaker was essential. Alex Murphy was always a target, Terry Newton broke Shaun longs jaw ( off the ball ). Mickey Mac is yet another fine example of their craft. I remember Sam Tomkins trying to break Kieran cunninghams legs in a cynical tackle. However it has got a lot worse since this coach as taken over , the man is a menace, preaching hate at every opportunity and should be taken to task.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vince St Clair View Post
    Not suggesting it was, or that it could be proven (very much doubt it could). Just that it could be argued. That LH was out cold before he hit the deck was clear for all the see. What Flower did then was intended to do damage.






    I would agree 100% if it were just the 1st punch or if both had been thrown before Lance hit the ground. I'm sure 90% of players will be sickened by that cowardly attack & wouldn't want that in the game (not talking Biff, just that last punch). If that isn't punished properly, next time it happens & the outcome is worse, people may regret not making an example.

    Re CPS not charging, I know it was Scotland, but Duncan Ferguson's butt was nothing compared to that.
    What people forget is that Duncan Ferguson already had a conviction for assault that is why he went to prison for the butt on John McStay.

    My personal feeling is that when the dust settles the RFL should be left to deal with it. If and ONLY if Lance feels he wants to take it further and contact the Police then that's the only way they should be involved. I would say though that this incident needs to be treated slightly differently by the RFL because:

    (a) It was a targeted attack to the head on an already unconscious person and not just a swinging arm in a frenzied melee.

    (b) It happened in the showpiece event with the entire world watching.

    (c) Rugby League carefully nurtures its Family friendly image and this incident sends out entirely the wrong signals.

    (d) Attracting sponsorship to Rugby League is already tough and this incident has probably cost the sport quite a lot of money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogues Gallery View Post
    As I said I'll watch the video tomorrow, but St Pete on RL fans also thinks that it would have been a penalty to Wigan had Flower not had his stupid head on.
    Cross eyes started it , Hohaia reacted wrongly, got smacked which is wrong also. The last attack on a prone man is disgusting and he should be sitting out a large chunk of next year for it. If you defend that you are more pathetic than I ever thought you were.

    Technically Flower started it, which was probably a Wane tactic, get in the face of our playmakers and 'rough em up' . Flower took it to the next level and suspect even shocked wane.

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    He will undoubtedly receive a hefyt ban and fine.........I would also like to see Wigan loan him out to some p*ss poor Championship team for the rest of his contract(whatever that might be)
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    Joey Barton has tweeted Lance got what he deserved, I presume he knows all about that as his Brother gets what he deserves- every morning shower in prison. The list of complete ar$eholes lining up to jump on the anti Saints bandwagon is ridiculous

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buddy View Post
    Joey Barton has tweeted Lance got what he deserved, I presume he knows all about that as his Brother gets what he deserves- every morning shower in prison. The list of complete ar$eholes lining up to jump on the anti Saints bandwagon is ridiculous
    Cue Mickey MacaMoron and his reworking of Rene Descartes,"methodological skepticism"
    “It's been 31 years, since 1974, we last won a major (trophy and) Andrew Johns and Natty (Nathan Wood), our two oldest players were born in 1974 so it's a little bit spooky,”

    There is a common trait in teams at this point in the season that they seem to sit back and wait for somebody to win the game for them. And we had too many of our players waiting for someone to win the game.”

    "interfacing at the ruck"

    "winning the go-forward"

    "i thought we won the collision"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buddy View Post
    Joey Barton has tweeted Lance got what he deserved, I presume he knows all about that as his Brother gets what he deserves- every morning shower in prison. The list of complete ar$eholes lining up to jump on the anti Saints bandwagon is ridiculous
    Yeh, the pie tame southern mouthpiece Martin something or other fiah dragged himself out of Sloane Square and chimed in with the "celeb's" comments as well.

    CONVERTED TO THE FAITH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulscnthorpe View Post
    Correct

    It's a slippery slope for me that
    Whats the difference between an assault in the street and one on a pitch?? None! GMP should take a look into this and wonder why none of their officers arrested him there and then! If this goes without any police involvement and this person goes on to seriously injure someone which he seems quite capable of then people will say we should have heeded the warning signs.

    Lastly any parent watching this sad episode will certainly not want their child being involved with this thuggery under another name!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Kev Iro View Post
    Whats the difference between an assault in the street and one on a pitch?? None! GMP should take a look into this and wonder why none of their officers arrested him there and then! If this goes without any police involvement and this person goes on to seriously injure someone which he seems quite capable of then people will say we should have heeded the warning signs.

    Lastly any parent watching this sad episode will certainly not want their child being involved with this thuggery under another name!
    That said, if you went and rugby tackled someone on Westfield street you would be arrested

    If you say that punching like that is beyond what is reasonably accepted and expected in a rugby match. They you could argue all punching isn't acceptable, or high tackles, or shoulder charges.

    All I'm saying it's a slippery slope for me

    Give him eight matches

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    How many of the offended would be saying the same if a Saint did the same thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Kev Iro View Post
    Whats the difference between an assault in the street and one on a pitch??
    Circumstance.

    As I've said,the CPS look at two factors -the evidence factor and the public interest factor.
    The first is met without question.
    As for the second, I'll wager there is little public interest in pursuing Flower through the courts, however deplorable his actions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buddy View Post
    Joey Barton has tweeted Lance got what he deserved, I presume he knows all about that as his Brother gets what he deserves- every morning shower in prison. The list of complete ar$eholes lining up to jump on the anti Saints bandwagon is ridiculous
    Let's put this myth to bed ( that lance started this mallee ) it began further up field when lance kicked the ball on the 5th tackle, flowers then ran behind lance and cowerdly attacked the mans head from behind, lance then tried to retaliate but was knocked unconscious and then when defenceless was attracted about the head. And any arsehole who says different is a liar, end of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buddy View Post
    Joey Barton has tweeted Lance got what he deserved, I presume he knows all about that as his Brother gets what he deserves- every morning shower in prison. The list of complete ar$eholes lining up to jump on the anti Saints bandwagon is ridiculous
    Nobody with any sense listens to what that scouse idiots says. If he wasn't a footballer he'd more than likely be in jail. I've shat out things with more brains than him.

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    Just watched it again and whilst flower did the deed in back play with a swinging arm to lance that's come straight from the coaching staff at Wigan be it directed to take out our play maker or indirectly by wanes bash em team talks and attitude which we all know from the sky program is true

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