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    Quote Originally Posted by Buddy View Post
    My original point was that we (and I mean the sport not the club) aren't developing halfbacks good enough to play at international level. How many halfbacks play for NRL teams that don't qualify to play for Australia? Too many clubs bring over average players instead of working with the talent pool they have. If Matty Smith is the best English scrum half something is very wrong

    IMHO, the reason is simple. RL is the No.1 sport in most of Australia, they have a bigger draw on the young talent.

    Even in St Helens/Wigan/Leeds/Warrington, the majority of kids opt to play Football.

    In my lifetime, Australia only produced a dozen Football players capable of playing in the English top flight & probably one who would have got in the England team.

    I'm sure Wayne Rooney has all the attributes to have been a decent RL half, if he'd taken that path.

    The challenge for RL is to somehow attract the top kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Harvest View Post
    When the likes of Farrell, Sculthorpe and O'Loughlin are turning out at 6 internationally, it shows
    1) We go for safety and defence minded options, extra size and tackle ability.
    2) We lack courage to throw 2 specialists at 6 and 7.

    When internationally we were selecting Tony Smith or Paul Deacon over Long, Martyn or Briers it shows that we lack faith in our ability to compete and aim for damage limitation.
    Your point is a good one and I used to get frustrated at times too but Scully won MOS from stand off even though he preferred to play at loose so he wasn't a bad option.

    When you look back though and at one point we could have had

    1. Wellens/ginger doormat
    6.Harris
    7.Long / Deacon

    9. Cunningham / Newton / Lowes
    12. Farrell
    13. Scully

    All either in or approaching their peak , we have nothing like that quality now imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N0.1 Saint View Post
    Your point is a good one and I used to get frustrated at times too but Scully won MOS from stand off even though he preferred to play at loose so he wasn't a bad option.

    When you look back though and at one point we could have had

    1. Wellens/ginger doormat
    6.Harris
    7.Long / Deacon

    9. Cunningham / Newton / Lowes
    12. Farrell
    13. Scully

    All either in or approaching their peak , we have nothing like that quality now imo.
    Still wouldn't have beaten Australia in a three match series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathon1964 View Post
    Still wouldn't have beaten Australia in a three match series.
    Facts don't lie, when it came down to it we came up short but a team with those players at its heart had the ability to do it. Our problem as has been mentioned is depth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vince St Clair View Post
    IMHO, the reason is simple. RL is the No.1 sport in most of Australia, they have a bigger draw on the young talent.

    Even in St Helens/Wigan/Leeds/Warrington, the majority of kids opt to play Football.

    In my lifetime, Australia only produced a dozen Football players capable of playing in the English top flight & probably one who would have got in the England team.

    I'm sure Wayne Rooney has all the attributes to have been a decent RL half, if he'd taken that path.

    The challenge for RL is to somehow attract the top kids.
    I disagree because it has always been that way and it didn't stop us producing players in the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buddy View Post
    I disagree because it has always been that way and it didn't stop us producing players in the past.


    I didn't say we can NEVER produce a top player. The fact remains, Football attracts most of the best kids in UK, even in RL hotbeds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vince St Clair View Post
    I didn't say we can NEVER produce a top player. The fact remains, Football attracts most of the best kids in UK, even in RL hotbeds.
    Where do you think this young wonderkid is playing now?
    http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....derkid-1123691

    And he looks a very very promising player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vince St Clair View Post
    I didn't say we can NEVER produce a top player. The fact remains, Football attracts most of the best kids in UK, even in RL hotbeds.
    I'm sorry I don't understand your point. You said the reason we are not producing players is football, but I don't get why it's different now. Football has always been there so why do you think it's different today?

    I don't buy it I'm afraid. Imo it's more to do with people fans and owners demanding instant success, it's funny how the franchise system was implemented and p&r scrapped so teams could develop squads, yet the league is probably the poorest I've seen in terms of player quality




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    Quote Originally Posted by Buddy View Post
    I'm sorry I don't understand your point. You said the reason we are not producing players is football, but I don't get why it's different now. Football has always been there so why do you think it's different today?

    I don't buy it I'm afraid. Imo it's more to do with people fans and owners demanding instant success, it's funny how the franchise system was implemented and p&r scrapped so teams could develop squads, yet the league is probably the poorest I've seen in terms of player quality




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    Quite. What's the population of Australia compared to England again? And, isn't RL second to Aussie Rules?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eddiewaringsflatcap View Post
    Quite. What's the population of Australia compared to England again? And, isn't RL second to Aussie Rules?
    People will try and tell you it isn't but it almost definitely is. Aussie Rules bring players from Union/League/Cricket as they can pay them more. That's why there's been a drop in the standard of Union with the international side and why the cricket team has been poor (unless playing England..)

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    Quote Originally Posted by terry tibbs View Post
    63 mil in UK

    23 mil in AUS

    what's your point?
    You can't see it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallahassee View Post
    Who's Beaumont?
    Well he is no longer a Saints player, or should I say Saints squad member.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lex View Post
    Well he is no longer a Saints player, or should I say Saints squad member.
    Really ? As of when ? I really hope he didn't take up too much cap space while keeping wheeler company

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lex View Post
    Well he is no longer a Saints player, or should I say Saints squad member.
    The guys had more rumours about him,less probably had he played.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N0.1 Saint View Post
    Really ? As of when ? I really hope he didn't take up too much cap space while keeping wheeler company
    Last I was told, is that we had released him from his contract.

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    Looks like I was right then. I did say on his thread that he wouldn't play a single game for us.

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    Not watching much NRL,who is Josh Hoffman?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallahassee View Post
    Not watching much NRL,who is Josh Hoffman?
    Why do you ask? Have we been linked with him?

    He's a utility back that plays for Brisbane, happiest at full back but decent on the wing too

    He's been a bit marginalised this season as they've tried to accommodate Barba

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    No,just thought it was strange Saints twitter was following the announcement that Brisbane are allowing him to talk to other clubs. Probably nothing.

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    He's had a huge offer from Canberra

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    Quote Originally Posted by terry tibbs View Post
    good point this and absolute nonsense to blame football as the reason there's a lack of young talented players coming through.
    The fact that footballers get paid so much money , and the english premiership is recognised as one of the best leagues in the world will mean that most other sports are feeding off the scraps. Bottom line, the most naturally talented and gifted sportsmen will gravitate towards football.

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    I disagree. Most youngsters will choose a sport at a young age ie 10/11/12. The absolute cream of the crop have such good hand eye coordination, physical ability, game intelligence that whatever sport they chose at that age they would be top class at it. I would give you the example of Andy Murray. Like him or loathe him I do not think anybody could argue that he is not one of the most talented sportsmen of his generation. At age 11/12 he was highly rated in tennis at at a european level, was on the books of rangers football club as a goalkeeper, had a golf handicap of 7. My argument is if you are one of these very few extremely gifted people you would be able to play any sport if taken up at a young enough age. The problem for rugby league is being able to attract these guys to play our game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogues Gallery View Post
    Where do you think this young wonderkid is playing now?
    http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....derkid-1123691

    And he looks a very very promising player.
    Ha ha, looks like your fishing line has snapped

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    Quote Originally Posted by forward ref View Post
    Ha ha, looks like your fishing line has snapped

    Not at all. It kind of echoes what Glasgowsaint has said. Higginson is a very talented player and one I think you'll hear a lot about in the next couple of years. He also has the sense to look after himself academically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glasgowsaint View Post
    I disagree. Most youngsters will choose a sport at a young age ie 10/11/12. The absolute cream of the crop have such good hand eye coordination, physical ability, game intelligence that whatever sport they chose at that age they would be top class at it. I would give you the example of Andy Murray. Like him or loathe him I do not think anybody could argue that he is not one of the most talented sportsmen of his generation. At age 11/12 he was highly rated in tennis at at a european level, was on the books of rangers football club as a goalkeeper, had a golf handicap of 7. My argument is if you are one of these very few extremely gifted people you would be able to play any sport if taken up at a young enough age. The problem for rugby league is being able to attract these guys to play our game.


    That's right. Even in a RL hotbed like St Helens, most of the talented lads are playing Football at St Helens Town, Parkdale, Ashton, Newton. All good sides, supplying lads to Academies year-in-year-out. Same in Warrington, Widnes, Wigan.

    Haven't got exact figures to hand, but I'm guessing 20 years ago, the average Footballer earned 10x more than the equiv RL player?? Today, the top RL players earn £300k? Top footy players earn that a Week. Average RL player earns £25k, average PL player earns that a Week. 52x more.

    In my personal observation, Football is attracting more kids than it used to in RL areas.

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