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    Quote Originally Posted by Reacher View Post
    All jokes aside Moyes is one of the favourites.

    And with regards to the article, it is talking about Gerrard this season. We all know how brilliant he has been over the years.
    Whilst not being great, he has been good this season. Some of his passing from his deep role has been sublime. He isn't the all action player he used to be but he is still a very good player. Better than Carrick has ever been anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reacher View Post
    All jokes aside Moyes is one of the favourites.

    And with regards to the article, it is talking about Gerrard this season. We all know how brilliant he has been over the years.
    Yes but in response to that and DD saying he gets by on reputation, it's because the reputation he's got as one of the best in the country,a game changer,a game breaker it's unfair to judge him on that now. Forgetting anything he's done in the past he would still hold his own in any team in this country possibly even most in Europe surrounded by top class players just being one of the team/squad. The media still push this image of him still being the main man at Liverpool.

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    Why is an irishman berating english journalists about who they vote for in the english premier league.

    The Sunday World a 2nd rate irish newspaper with a circulation of 200,000. Reacher spends his time trawling the interweb looking for posts with an anti liverpool bias. Im sure if I took the time I could find articles with an anti utd bias.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Newlove View Post
    Yes but in response to that and DD saying he gets by on reputation, it's because the reputation he's got as one of the best in the country,a game changer,a game breaker it's unfair to judge him on that now. Forgetting anything he's done in the past he would still hold his own in any team in this country possibly even most in Europe surrounded by top class players just being one of the team/squad. The media still push this image of him still being the main man at Liverpool.
    Steve Gerrard the best English footballer of his generation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by St Steve View Post
    Why is an irishman berating english journalists about who they vote for in the english premier league.

    The Sunday World a 2nd rate irish newspaper with a circulation of 200,000. Reacher spends his time trawling the interweb looking for posts with an anti liverpool bias. Im sure if I took the time I could find articles with an anti utd bias.

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    Don't flatter yourself. Someone retweeted it so it took about 2 seconds

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    Quote Originally Posted by St Steve View Post
    Steve Gerrard the best English footballer of his generation.

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    Debatable that one. Most people would put him 3rd after Scholes and Lampard

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reacher View Post
    Don't flatter yourself. Someone retweeted it so it took about 2 seconds
    So you have to agree on everything someone tweets you. As I said a 2nd rate irish Sunday newspaper who nobodies heard about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by St Steve View Post
    Steve Gerrard the best English footballer of his generation.

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    Not as good as Paul Scholes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by retro74 View Post
    Debatable that one. Most people would put him 3rd after Scholes and Lampard
    Really who's most people then

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    It is a brutal article and one oozing malice towards SG.If it had been written straightforwardly he does make some good points.

    ps even Zidane thought Scholes was the best midfielder in the world in his pomp.Can't argue with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scouse Don View Post
    It is a brutal article and one oozing malice towards SG.If it had been written straightforwardly he does make some good points.

    ps even Zidane thought Scholes was the best midfielder in the world in his pomp.Can't argue with that.
    As did Vieira, Henry, Xavi, Lippi, Iniesta.

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    Quote Originally Posted by retro74 View Post
    Debatable that one. Most people would put him 3rd after Scholes and Lampard
    Lampard before gerrard leave off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scouse Don View Post
    It is a brutal article and one oozing malice towards SG.If it had been written straightforwardly he does make some good points.

    ps even Zidane thought Scholes was the best midfielder in the world in his pomp.Can't argue with that.
    Don I said footballer not midfielder. Gerrard is a better all round footballer.

    This from Bryan Robson For me he can do everything and that's the reason I'd say he was the best of the three if I had to split them ahead of Scholes and Lampard in that order.

    They are all top professionals and each brought different attributes and strengths but Gerrard can tackle, defend, score goals, head it, make a telling precision pass, dictate the tempo and is a powerful runner. He has a bit more to his game.


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    Lampard definitely 3rd best out of the 3 for me. Gerrard or Scholes, tough call but I don't think it's massively important who was best as at their peak they were both World class, and I'm not sure Lampard was at the level of the other two whilst being a top, top player.

    Funny how England had all 3 together at their peak in the same midfield and didn't do anything of note. Bad management? The 3 of them not being as good as we thought? Bad systems? It is troubling though, and the only comparison I can make would be Spain failing to have a big World Cup or Euro run with Xavi, Iniesta and Alonso in their midfield. You just couldn't see them not being good with those 3 players in the middle at their peak, yet England never utilised Gerrard, Scholes and Lampard to anything like what I think their potential was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gray77 View Post
    Lampard definitely 3rd best out of the 3 for me. Gerrard or Scholes, tough call but I don't think it's massively important who was best as at their peak they were both World class, and I'm not sure Lampard was at the level of the other two whilst being a top, top player.

    Funny how England had all 3 together at their peak in the same midfield and didn't do anything of note. Bad management? The 3 of them not being as good as we thought? Bad systems? It is troubling though, and the only comparison I can make would be Spain failing to have a big World Cup or Euro run with Xavi, Iniesta and Alonso in their midfield. You just couldn't see them not being good with those 3 players in the middle at their peak, yet England never utilised Gerrard, Scholes and Lampard to anything like what I think their potential was.
    Bad management. We had the players to support them as we'll. Rooney Owen beckham Ferdinand terry cole etc
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    Quote Originally Posted by DD View Post
    I'd be interested to hear who SS wants for the Spurs job then. Tim Sherwood's stats were as good as anybody's, so I'm not so sure what the beef was. Someone who follows them will know more. I just though the whole thing was handled poorly, perhaps worse than United with Moyes. Seriously, if it had been City doing that, we'd have been accused of having "no class".
    Depends which stat you've been reading. Presumably his win percentage one ? That's the one he enjoys referring to constantly. He never mentions his loss percentage was 35.7% though. In comparison, AVB's was 20%. He never mentions that he lost four of six cup and european matches either, funnily enough. I'm delighted he's gone. I wonder if anyone would enjoy seeing their manager drag somebody from the crowd and sit them on the manager's bench ? He embarrassed Tottenham worse than any manager I've known.

    As for the new man. I don't know who I'd like. I'm under no illusions. The problem is above the manager. The new guy is likely going to be another scapegoat in 12/18 months anyway so it doesn't matter. Moyes isn't in the reckoning and it appears to be between FdB and Pochettino with Benitez an outsider. Both favourites seem reasonable whilst Benitez is experienced here. I don't really favour any.

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    Gerrard could have played any outfield position on the pitch on still been brilliant, Scholes was fantastic, Lampard was top class but neither ahead of Gerrard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Newlove View Post
    Gerrard could have played any outfield position on the pitch on still been brilliant, Scholes was fantastic, Lampard was top class but neither ahead of Gerrard.
    You cant go saying that whatever will the utd lovies say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Newlove View Post
    Gerrard could have played any outfield position on the pitch on still been brilliant, Scholes was fantastic, Lampard was top class but neither ahead of Gerrard.
    From a neutral POV, I'd have Scholes over any English footballer from that generation. I'd probably go Scholes, Gerrard and then Lampard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by St Steve View Post
    You cant go saying that whatever will the utd lovies say.

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    You have a massive chip on your shoulder don't you.

    You constantly go on about being allowed an opinion but when it's a united fan having an opinion it's wrong.

    For what it's worth I find it difficult to seperate Gerrard and scholes, both very different players but both excellent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk some sense! View Post
    You have a massive chip on your shoulder don't you.

    You constantly go on about being allowed an opinion but when it's a united fan having an opinion it's wrong.

    For what it's worth I find it difficult to seperate Gerrard and scholes, both very different players but both excellent.
    at least my chip is even. Where have I said its wrong. Ive stated gerrard is the best english footballer of his generation, now people have stated that scholes is a better midfielder. Footballer midfielder hell of a difference. Talking of chips on their shoukdets you need to have a word with reacher posting articles from no bit irish Sunday newspapers to back up his anti liverpool bias.

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    Quote Originally Posted by St Steve View Post
    Ive got no chip on my shoulder. Where have I said its wrong. Ive stated gerrard is the best english footballer of his generation, now people have stated that scholes is a better midfielder. Footballer midfielder hell of a difference. Talking of chips on their shoukdets you need to have a word with reacher posting articles from no bit irish Sunday newspapers to back up his anti liverpool bias.

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    The united lovies comment is what I'm referring to.

    It's a pointless arguement to be honest, as I say both are/were top players. It's just a shame the national team never figured out how to use scholes, the trying to fit him in on the left side of midfield experiment was shameful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk some sense! View Post
    The united lovies comment is what I'm referring to.

    It's a pointless arguement to be honest, as I say both are/were top players. It's just a shame the national team never figured out how to use scholes, the trying to fit him in on the left side of midfield experiment was shameful.
    Obviously never heard of sarcasm.

    Why is it a pointless arguement I've stated gerrard is the best footballer if his generation people have come back stating scholes is the better midfielder. I haven't said midfielder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by St Steve View Post
    Obviously never heard of sarcasm.

    Why is it a pointless arguement I've stated gerrard is the best footballer if his generation people have come back stating scholes is the better midfielder. I haven't said midfielder.

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    What are you talking about? Footballer/midfielder? So Gerrard is the better footballer but Scholes is a better midfielder???

    Lets keep it simple Steve. Who was the better player? In your opinion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reacher View Post
    What are you talking about? Footballer/midfielder? So Gerrard is the better footballer but Scholes is a better midfielder???

    Lets keep it simple Steve. Who was the better player? In your opinion?
    you are trying to pick an arguement where one doesn't exist. By stating footballer different positions can be argued for not just midfielder.

    Gerrard can tackle can head the ball can run from box to box is a better leader.

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