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    Quote Originally Posted by Reacher View Post
    Fully agree. I think in a couple of years or even less, people will be talking of Jones as a bargain buy. He really does look to have everything, and can bring the ball out of defence like Rio in his prime, really uses the ball well.

    Young also seems to have raised his game already. Some players thrive on the stage at Utd, others can be like rabbits caught in headlights. Young looks to have that cockiness that he knows he belongs on this stage. Has two good feet, lots of pace but also works really well closing players down when we are not in possesion. My only flaw with him so far (and its early days) are that he has left his crossing boots at Villa. His set pieces and crosses have been generally poor (apart from Smallings goal at CS) and this in my opinion was one of his biggest strengths at Villa.

    Jones was immense las night, a future Engalnd captain without question. Young looks very good but his delivery especially from corners last night was poor.
    Another good game from Anderson too, he's really come on in the last few weeks of last season and the beginning of this season.
    I'd still have Utd as massive favourites for the title, despite our good start. Chelsea with the addition of Mata will get better and push for the title too.
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    It's all to easy to get carried away by a few decent performances from a young player but it's hard not to be excited by the potential this current United team has. De Gea, Fabio, Rafael, Smalling, Jones, Cleverly & Welbeck could form the cornerstone of our team for many a year and in Smalling and Jones there are players who are in my opionion certainties to become England regulars.

    As well as those there are Rooney, Hernandez, Nani, Young Evans & Anderson who are a little older but will be around for years - Anderson in particular finally looks to be putting a string of performances together and was very good last night.

    It sounds silly to say it but I think I need a defeat to stop me from getting to carried away!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wabo View Post
    Fearing a Spurs backlash at the weekend now.
    It all depends on the defence on Sunday. We're going to find a lot out about the defensive capabilities of the central two now that we seem to be going down the route of abandoning three defensive midfielders.

    Personally I think if we play it as open as we did at Bolton we'll get beat and Mancini knows that. I expect to see the trusty trio of De Jong, Yaya and Barry with Dzeko, Aguero and Silva up front for this game only, then we are going to see probably Barry dispensed with for the Wigan, Fulham, Everton, Blackburn and Villa games to follow.

    I'll be happy with the same outcome as last year from this one, albeit with a much better performance. In reality we should still be in the top two come the derby in late October whatever happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk some sense! View Post

    It sounds silly to say it but I think I need a defeat to stop me from getting to carried away!
    Aye. I mean 12 Championships in 18 years just ain't enough to get carried away by is it?

    Does it actually mean anything to you anymore though, winning the title that is, or do you simply have to win it now just to maintain the status quo and rather than get euphoria out of it, it's just a case of 'phew' and moving on?

    It's a serious question because I remember Wigan fans barely being able to muster up a round of applause after so many titles.

    I know if my team won so many with the prospect of another half dozen to come, I'd seriously lack the motivation to go to matches anymore, and I certainly wouldn't lose a minute's sleep if we failed to win it next time around.

    To be honest I got that way with Saints and the Challenge Cup. Still feel that way now. In a few years when we still haven't wonit again then I'll be excited about it again but that magical feeling of hope and excitement is no longer there now.

    There's a lot to be said for going so long with out winning a trophy. Where's the excitement in supporting a club who consider winning a Carling Cup not even worthy of a mention? I'm not sure whether I want to find out or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DD View Post
    Aye. I mean 12 Championships in 18 years just ain't enough to get carried away by is it?

    Does it actually mean anything to you anymore though, winning the title that is, or do you simply have to win it now just to maintain the status quo and rather than get euphoria out of it, it's just a case of 'phew' and moving on?

    It's a serious question because I remember Wigan fans barely being able to muster up a round of applause after so many titles.

    I know if my team won so many with the prospect of another half dozen to come, I'd seriously lack the motivation to go to matches anymore, and I certainly wouldn't lose a minute's sleep if we failed to win it next time around.

    To be honest I got that way with Saints and the Challenge Cup. Still feel that way now. In a few years when we still haven't wonit again then I'll be excited about it again but that magical feeling of hope and excitement is no longer there now.

    There's a lot to be said for going so long with out winning a trophy. Where's the excitement in supporting a club who consider winning a Carling Cup not even worthy of a mention? I'm not sure whether I want to find out or not.
    Its a good question really, but I can honestly say that winning the league doesn't get boring. The 19 was more special than any other, and on a par with the first one for 26 yrs in 1993. To overtake Liverpools record after having it rammed down your throats for years, was very pleasant. I was brought up to hate Liverpool, went to junior and senior schools, with lots of Liverpool fans, and then to college. Don't get me wrong, if for example we go onto say 25, 26 titles, then yes it would become a bit boring, but that won't happen with other teams becoming stronger (and dare I say City as part of the mix)

    The CL becomes the holy grail, after getting to 3 finals in 4 yrs-which is a brilliant achievement- to then only win 1 of 3 is frustrating. Had we not come up against the finest club side ever, I am sure we would now be on 5 CL's, the same as our friends from down the East Lancs Rd. I know you really rate Real Madrid Dave, but I feel we would have beaten them, either in a one off game, or over 2 legs. I can't deny though that we are some way off beating Barca.

    I won't stop enjoying the league titles until we are so far ahead of Liverpool, that we can have a few years off. At some point they are going to start winning it again!

    What is now pleasing is the emergence of this new young team. The starting 11 on Monday night had an average age of 23 and was the second youngest Utd starting 11 ever. Only beaten in fact by the team that played Hull away in 2009 in the last game of the season after we had already won the league. They were great to watch, and when you see homegrown players like Welbeck and Cleverley doing well, and players interchanging, counter attacking with good movement, well its a joy to watch. There is no doubt we were poor by our standards last season. We limped over the line due to the fact that no one else remained consistent. Our away form was shocking, however I will get more enjoyment watching (yes from my armchair mostly!!) this current bunch than most other Utd teams of recent years.

    We may not win it this year, and the young lads will make mistakes and play poor at times, but we will play some great stuff along the way, especially at OT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DD View Post
    Aye. I mean 12 Championships in 18 years just ain't enough to get carried away by is it?

    Does it actually mean anything to you anymore though, winning the title that is, or do you simply have to win it now just to maintain the status quo and rather than get euphoria out of it, it's just a case of 'phew' and moving on?

    It's a serious question because I remember Wigan fans barely being able to muster up a round of applause after so many titles.

    I know if my team won so many with the prospect of another half dozen to come, I'd seriously lack the motivation to go to matches anymore, and I certainly wouldn't lose a minute's sleep if we failed to win it next time around.

    To be honest I got that way with Saints and the Challenge Cup. Still feel that way now. In a few years when we still haven't wonit again then I'll be excited about it again but that magical feeling of hope and excitement is no longer there now.

    There's a lot to be said for going so long with out winning a trophy. Where's the excitement in supporting a club who consider winning a Carling Cup not even worthy of a mention? I'm not sure whether I want to find out or not.
    As Reacher says it is a good question, but for me each season presents a different challenge and because of that winning the title still feels like a massive achievement. Take this season for example the challenge we've been set it not not allow the neighbours to take over, last season it was to get the 19th title in past seasons it's been a case of toppling Arsenals Invincibles. Each season is different and it's hard to become complacent and I really don't go into a season expectant at all, it's always a clean slate for me and we've always got a bit challenge to defend or retain the title. I could understand how a Barca fan would get complacent because the challenge to them is the same year on year and that is to beat real Madrid, if they do that then they win the league. There is too much competition in the Premier League for that to be replicated here and for the time being at least I'll want us to win and celebrate a win like it's our first.

    This season though there's a bit of a difference and i'm more excited by seeing how the young lads get on, don't get me wrong I want us to win the league and challenge for the CL but I can't help but feel i'll get more pleasure out of seeing a young team come together create a team that will be challenging for the next decade. I guess it's a different kind of enjoyment and as much as winning the title is the ultimate, seeing us perform at a good level and play in the way we did on Monday brings a new level of enjoyment to it all.

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    Let's all cream our pants and come on the Internet and decide players will be England certainties after a couple of games. Come back and tell me the same thing at the end if the season then I might listen. You mancs are getting just like Wiganners thinking that because a player played for their club they where nailed on to play for their country.

    This football thread is just like last seasons, a man utd love fest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by St Steve View Post
    Let's all cream our pants and come on the Internet and decide players will be England certainties after a couple of games. Come back and tell me the same thing at the end if the season then I might listen. You mancs are getting just like Wiganners thinking that because a player played for their club they where nailed on to play for their country.

    This football thread is just like last seasons, a man utd love fest.
    Ha ha...

    And yet King Kenny was desperate to sign him. So too Chelsea, Spurs and Arsenal. Anyone with an ounce of football knowledge can see his class.

    If we are Wigan RL, you are sounding like a bitter Sts fan who can't give credit

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    Quote Originally Posted by St Steve View Post
    Let's all cream our pants and come on the Internet and decide players will be England certainties after a couple of games. Come back and tell me the same thing at the end if the season then I might listen. You mancs are getting just like Wiganners thinking that because a player played for their club they where nailed on to play for their country.

    This football thread is just like last seasons, a man utd love fest.
    Liverpool and Everton fans are allowed to contribute it's just that they are accustomed to wanting to avoid the topic of football these days. What can you do? Manchester is where it's at?
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    Quote Originally Posted by St Steve View Post
    Let's all cream our pants and come on the Internet and decide players will be England certainties after a couple of games. Come back and tell me the same thing at the end if the season then I might listen. You mancs are getting just like Wiganners thinking that because a player played for their club they where nailed on to play for their country.

    This football thread is just like last seasons, a man utd love fest.
    It's not just this thread lately mate. If its not "wello should be in 2nd row" and "makinson for full back" its how the manc teams are gonna dominate the world !
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    It's only all Manchester because there are only really united and city fans regularly in here, i'd love for there be be more banter between clubs but the most we get is spurs and barca!

    Step it up and it'll not be a 'manchester love in'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk some sense! View Post
    It's only all Manchester because there are only really united and city fans regularly in here, i'd love for there be be more banter between clubs but the most we get is spurs and barca!

    Step it up and it'll not be a 'manchester love in'
    Its not really all manchester though is it? Only 1 team in Manchester, t'other are Salford scruffies pretending to be from there.

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    I'm not really bothered about the manc love in it's the love in between jack and talk some sense about how good there players are and how they will either be future England captains or permanent fixtures in the England team for the next 50 years, and this is after 2 games. They weren't certainties playing for their other clubs but as soon as they put a red shirt on everything changes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reacher View Post
    Ha ha...

    And yet King Kenny was desperate to sign him. So too Chelsea, Spurs and Arsenal. Anyone with an ounce of football knowledge can see his class.

    If we are Wigan RL, you are sounding like a bitter Sts fan who can't give credit
    Why should I give credit to players who've played 2 games this season, I'll reserve judgement until the end of the season
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reacher View Post
    Ha ha...

    And yet King Kenny was desperate to sign him. So too Chelsea, Spurs and Arsenal. Anyone with an ounce of football knowledge can see his class.

    If we are Wigan RL, you are sounding like a bitter Sts fan who can't give credit
    I'm quite sure kenny wasn't "desperate" to sign anyone that you've signed this year. And if its who I think your on about, then I think its a bit premature to be getting wet over.

    If you want to talk desperate, I'm sure your paying a former "scouser" to warm the bench so he can pay dascombes yard fees ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk some sense! View Post
    It's only all Manchester because there are only really united and city fans regularly in here, i'd love for there be be more banter between clubs but the most we get is spurs and barca!

    Step it up and it'll not be a 'manchester love in'
    If there are any Kettering Town fans on here I'd love to start some banter with them. I somehow doubt it though....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northampton_Saint View Post
    If there are any Kettering Town fans on here I'd love to start some banter with them. I somehow doubt it though....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barney Rubble View Post
    I'm quite sure kenny wasn't "desperate" to sign anyone that you've signed this year. And if its who I think your on about, then I think its a bit premature to be getting wet over.

    If you want to talk desperate, I'm sure your paying a former "scouser" to warm the bench so he can pay dascombes yard fees ?
    Well thats weird because we only signed 3 players and you were after 2 of them. Liverpool even offered 22m in a last minute bid to gazump Utd for Jones, even though his release clause was 6m less. He turned you down twice effectively. And Ashley Young admitted that he had the chance to go to Liverpool but turned them down. You need to get your facts right Barney Rubble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reacher View Post
    Well thats weird because we only signed 3 players and you were after 2 of them. Liverpool even offered 22m in a last minute bid to gazump Utd for Jones, even though his release clause was 6m less. He turned you down twice effectively. And Ashley Young admitted that he had the chance to go to Liverpool but turned them down. You need to get your facts right Barney Rubble.
    You've got players back off loan, you've got players from other clubs and after 2 matches they are going to be playing for England for the next century. Get real the season is 2 matches old, anything can happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by St Steve View Post
    You've got players back off loan, you've got players from other clubs and after 2 matches they are going to be playing for England for the next century. Get real the season is 2 matches old, anything can happen.
    It may surprise you but I actually watch other teams than Utd. It has been clear for a couple of seasons that Jones is a talent otherwise why would Liverpool, Spurs, Chelsea and Arsenal all want to sign him as well as Utd. Answer that one??? I have said nothing about Cleverley or Welbeck playing for England, just that I am excited by Phil Jones. If you can't remove your blinkers and see that he is going to be a special player, then thats your fault. He was also the star of Eng U21's defence in the Euros, along with Smalling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reacher View Post
    Well thats weird because we only signed 3 players and you were after 2 of them. Liverpool even offered 22m in a last minute bid to gazump Utd for Jones, even though his release clause was 6m less. He turned you down twice effectively. And Ashley Young admitted that he had the chance to go to Liverpool but turned them down. You need to get your facts right Barney Rubble.
    1st of all you said desperate ! Anyway, from what i read, We made one offer and then was told Jones was signing for united. As for Young, Again, from somewhere other than SKY ! It never got to more than an enquiry - Certainly no "desperate" attempts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by St Steve View Post
    I'm not really bothered about the manc love in it's the love in between jack and talk some sense about how good there players are and how they will either be future England captains or permanent fixtures in the England team for the next 50 years, and this is after 2 games. They weren't certainties playing for their other clubs but as soon as they put a red shirt on everything changes.
    2 games?

    Chris Smalling impressed pretty much all season last year - not just 2 games.

    Phil Jones, well again he looked very good last season for Blackburn and I only echo what 'professionals' in the game have already said and that is that he has the potential to go and and become England captain.

    If you've seen anything of either then you can presumably only be frustrated because you know what we are saying is true

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk some sense! View Post
    2 games?

    Chris Smalling impressed pretty much all season last year - not just 2 games.

    Phil Jones, well again he looked very good last season for Blackburn and I only echo what 'professionals' in the game have already said and that is that he has the potential to go and and become England captain.

    If you've seen anything of either then you can presumably only be frustrated because you know what we are saying is true
    So jones from playing for Blackburn couldn't get a look in for the full England team, signs for utd and then suddenly he's a certain to play for the full England side.

    Just remember what happened to Chelsea last season after a great start.
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    Quote Originally Posted by St Steve View Post
    So jones from playing for Blackburn couldn't get a look in for the full England team, signs for utd and then suddenly he's a certain to play for the full England side.

    Just remember what happened to Chelsea last season after a great start.
    Come off it, nobody is saying he should jump straight into teh England squad because he's joined United. I'm saying he has the potential to be a future England regulare and captain - if i'm honest the chances of him realising his potential are greater now that he has moved to United but that's not really relevant. The potential though has always been there otherwise the big clubs wouldn't have looked in his direction and Harry Redknapp won't have said he's a future England captain based on him signing for United. His opinion would be based on what he's seen of him.

    As for the good start, i'm not sure why that comes into it? I don't think i've said anywhere that i expect us to go on and win the league after two games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by St Steve View Post
    You've got players back off loan, you've got players from other clubs and after 2 matches they are going to be playing for England for the next century. Get real the season is 2 matches old, anything can happen.
    Ahhh....a traditional Liverpool fan. So blinded by hatred for all that is Manchester, that they cannot even provide an objective opinion without the needless hatred shining through.

    Phil Jones has been immense for a couple of years and had every major club in the country chasing him. He plays for England at younger levels and will almost certainly be in the senior squad in the very near future. Anyone with an iota of a brain can see the clear quality in him.

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