One is about a new challenge having won everything on offer over here and the other is about money because he's won nothing in rl.
One is about a new challenge having won everything on offer over here and the other is about money because he's won nothing in rl.
Um, did James Roby move clubs? Well, blow me. I am convinced I saw him playing for us on Friday night. Must have been his twin.
Clearly you can't read, or can't be arsed to, so here again is the post I was replying to:
I really don't see what is wrong with someone moving jobs for more money? Who wouldn't?
Due a testamonial in the next few years (as is jammer) and as none of us know his salary how can any of us guess if he could have got more money elsewhere? Now I'm not say Robes and Jammer don't love saints, but I've yet to see any hint that Kyle doesn't!
Mr sthelens Keiron very nearly left for union and if the rfl hadn't topped up his wages, he probably would have!
I think Roby will be on a very good number at Saints and with the prospect of a testimonial, will probably be financially better off by staying at Saints. The cost of living in Oz is increasing all the time and RU clubs were not interested in him. I bet that the offer from NRL clubs was only marginally better if not the equal of what he is on at Saints, without the prospect of a testimonial and the money that would be earned from that.
But, the bloody question was, who wouldn't move for more money, wasn't it? The question wasn't about whether anyone would stay for more money! So in terms of the question asked, James Roby is a good example. We have no idea at all whether Kyle Eastmond has actually been offered more money to move to Union. That's just speculation. He might simply prefer Union to League.
And given that Kyle, at 21 years old, can save up a 5% deposit for a brand new house along with running a car, etc, would suggest he is not on a small salary at the moment himself!
You are making a statement that he wouldnt move for more money. How do you know? To make this statement, you must be privvy to any offers that were on the table and turned down so he would stay at Saints. So obviously its YOU that cannot read. But as you are known for "selective reading", this doesnt surprise me one iota.
So I ask you again, show me the proof that James Roby wouldnt move for more money.
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Union v League is hardly a level playing field when it comes to the money available and the media exposure you can gain from playing it at the highest level in this country. I can understand Kyle being tempted, especially with all the attention going Chris Ashton's way, it's easy to forget those who haven't made it. Unfortunately for Kyle over the past couple of years his previous agent spouted off to the press on several occasions about the possibility of him being a union target so we have questioned his commitment since then - it may not have been in question but lapses of form and all the injuries have not helped strengthen his cause. If Kyle is staying, he needs to say so and then show us the way most fans understand best by focusing on the game and helping Saints to have a great season.
Jammer on the other hand has said openly he would like to test himself in the NRL and I expect him to go. He'd be daft not to. I also wouldn't be surprised to see him go and come back to us in the future. I don't doubt his commitment until then though.
Whatever happens, both these players have huge potential, but a relatively short time in which to achieve all they want to, whether that's making a lot of money, proving yourself against the best or becoming a great player for whichever code, good luck to them. I hope they stay with us while they do this!!!
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Warrington have still never won in 16 Super League attempts at Knowsley Road. And, with Saints off to a new home next year, now they never will.
How do you know? You don't know. He said he loved St Helens, he was a home bird, he had a young family and he didn't want to move. He said those things himself to the press. Why is it hard to believe that someone might actually not want to move for money? (And the question was about moving for money, not negotiating for more money with the same club)
How do YOU know that Saints didn't offer Roby more money than the Aussies?
You don't do you?
Roby himself has never said it, has he?
FWIW, I expect that Roby has got (and deserved) a very good contract at Saints. He HAS bought a very nice big stone detached house in Billinge, and that didn't come cheap.
He told us himself that he took his mrs and child over for a holiday. So what? He also said the decision to sign up with Saints was an easy one for him.
But again, the question was who wouldn't move for more money and I suggested - note, suggested - that Roby might be such a person. I didn't claim to know anything about his decision. I didn't even make a statement. I just asked the question.
Well said.
Maybe Robes is just a typical St Helens lad and doesnt want to be anywhere else but home. If i was a player of his abilities and played for the team ive supported since i was born, id love to stay at the club forever, no matter what money and who offered what at me. But hey, thats me.
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You can dress it up as much as you like, the facts are that Kyle Eastmond has achieved nothing in the game of Rugby League with the exception of a couple of losers medals. If I was him, I’d be busting a gut to put that right. I’d want to leave the sport as a winner, not a loser, and win at least a Grand Final and a Challenge Cup before I go. It’s not as if either are out of the question over the next three years. This year, the Grand Final almost certainly is (in my opinion). If he stayed and achieved great things in our sport, I don’t think I’d begrudge him a big pay day in Union and the chance to play proper international sport instead of the Mickey Mouse affair we have in League, three or four years down the line.
However, he is 21 years of age. There is plenty of time to achieve great things in both League and Union if he so wishes. Jason Robinson won everything in League and then went on to have a hugely successful career in Union, which made him a nationwide star. However, he waited till he could achieve nothing more in our game before dumping the sport that made his name. Why is Eastmond in such a rush? Time is on his side.
Kyle Eastmond has been nurtured through the Saints Academy and now just as we are about to see the fruits of our coaching, not only does he wish to shit on by leaving us without a promising young scrum half, he wants to shit on the game of Rugby League by leaving the international side without such a player too.
James Graham is a different ball game altogether. He has won every team honour in the sport with Saints, one World Club Challenge, one Grand Final and three Challenge Cups. He has represented his country at the highest level in the World Cup and Four Nations. He has achieved everything in club rugby in this country and may now want to prove himself in the best Rugby League competition in the world. Few players of that calibre wouldn’t. Could anyone honestly blame him if he left, and he could still put on the England RL jersey and help do his bit for our sport in our country?
James Graham might be leaving Saints but he has given us the best years of his career. He has repaid the club that spent time and money bringing him through the ranks many times over. He has nothing to apologise for if he goes to Australia; nothing.
If he goes, Kyle will have had his head turned by the possibility of fame and fortune. Something that is unlikely given that he will have to completely alter his game to succeed in an alien sport. He will have walked out on us and our sport before he has given anything back to the game. For me, that is criminal. In a couple of years time, he may well then come crawling back. My greatest wish would be for every League club to then turn their back on him, like he is about to do to us, and leave him rotting in the second string at Waterloo.
James Graham will go with everyone’s best wishes. Kyle Eastmond will go with hardly anyone’s – and rightfully so.
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As with all of this, this may well be your opinion but it doesnt mean it is necessarily right.
Even you think he owes something to Saints, in reality he doesnt. If he is not bothered about achieving things in RL first then that is up to him. He has got the chance to go to Union now and if he does then he is perfectly entitled to do that.
Whilst we will be disappointed as fans to see him go, I just dont buy into the argument that he owes us or the game anything.
He has to put himself first and if he is ultimately swayed by extra money, fame, international competition or whatever then it is his choice and his only.
He is not 'shitting' on us or the game.
If you were offered double your salary or the chance to travel internationally or whatever else may be appealing to you but it was in a different industry, would you stay to be 'loyal' to your industry? If yes then fair enough, good on you, but I suspect for the majority of us the answer would be no!!
No doubt some disagree with this so lets have another 600 posts on the subject and carry on going round in circles!! ;-)
That would have been true if it werent for one thing. When someone objected to Roby being used as an example you made a smart arse reply of "well last time I looked he was still in a Saints shirt" (or words to that effect)
You would only have used that reply if you were trying to convince us that Roby is such an example. Therefore you are doing more than raising a question.