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    In this age of cutbacks, tax rises etc why are we paying between 10 and 12 million pounds for the the visit of this war criminal. The money could be put to better use.

    Ps lock up your kids he's bringing an entourage of priests.
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    state visit.. unfortunately whilst our queen still has free trips abroad, he'll get one here..

    personally i've absolutely no interest in him being here, however there are millions in the land that are made up, and i've no problem with that at all

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    Quote Originally Posted by St Steve View Post
    In this age of cutbacks, tax rises etc why are we paying between 10 and 12 million pounds for the the visit of this war criminal. The money could be put to better use.

    Ps lock up your kids he's bringing an entourage of priests.
    When times are bad, fascism has a voice.

    What would you suggest - putting all the priests in a camp somewhere?

    Comments like this started an awful lot in Germany in the 30's, or are you so thick that you think your being funny?

    I have no religious leanings of any kind, but comments like this make me worry for the future of this country

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    Quote Originally Posted by St Steve View Post
    In this age of cutbacks, tax rises etc why are we paying between 10 and 12 million pounds for the the visit of this war criminal. The money could be put to better use.

    Ps lock up your kids he's bringing an entourage of priests.
    So every Catholic priest is a child abuser? Grow up. A minority like anywhere else. Is every Muslim a suicide bomber? Will say one thing, if there were protests about any other religion on the scale of the Pope's visit, we would never hear the end of it.

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    The mass hysteria surrounding the Potiff's arrival and the many many cases of molestation by his underlings is distracting from other views we as a society should be challenging him on.

    His church's stance on condoms, particularly in Africa where HIV/AIDs is a massive problem.
    His church's stance on equality, and the acceptance of woman priests.

    Particularly the first insance is his church idealogically murdering thousands of people a year, because they are led to believe of the man in the sky with beard frowining upon them for covering up.

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    If this post had been made about the leader of the Muslim faith, then it's fair to say half the board would be calling for a life ban from Redvee and you'd have got it.

    It's a disturbing sign of the times where sweeping generalisations and bigotry towards the Catholic faith is somehow deemed acceptable.

    As Stu says, the level of protests is only tolerated because it's a "white" religion, and we are a Protestant country that still deems anti-Catholic prejudices to be acceptable. If such protests had been aimed at other religions, we'd have been having riots in the minority communities by now.

    I don't agree with a lot of the Catholic church's teachings. I don't agree with a lot of the teachings of fanatical Muslims. All as I know is, only voicing my opinion on one of those is likely to get me in trouble, and that is wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DD View Post
    If this post had been made about the leader of the Muslim faith, then it's fair to say half the board would be calling for a life ban from Redvee and you'd have got it.

    It's a disturbing sign of the times where sweeping generalisations and bigotry towards the Catholic faith is somehow deemed acceptable.

    As Stu says, the level of protests is only tolerated because it's a "white" religion, and we are a Protestant country that still deems anti-Catholic prejudices to be acceptable. If such protests had been aimed at other religions, we'd have been having riots in the minority communities by now.

    I don't agree with a lot of the Catholic church's teachings. I don't agree with a lot of the teachings of fanatical Muslims. All as I know is, only voicing my opinion on one of those is likely to get me in trouble, and that is wrong.
    Then you live in fear because you have been led to believe that is the way.

    There have been many many cases of people speaking out about the Muslim faith, particularly when it comes to Sharia law, and outspoken clerics with dodgy metal appendages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by St Steve View Post
    In this age of cutbacks, tax rises etc why are we paying between 10 and 12 million pounds for the the visit of this war criminal. The money could be put to better use.

    Ps lock up your kids he's bringing an entourage of priests.
    What a ridiculous statement. You should try forming your own opinions rather than adopting those printed in the red top tabloids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buddy View Post
    When times are bad, fascism has a voice.

    What would you suggest - putting all the priests in a camp somewhere?

    Comments like this started an awful lot in Germany in the 30's, or are you so thick that you think your being funny?

    I have no religious leanings of any kind, but comments like this make me worry for the future of this country
    Sorry but comments like that are not what the future of the country has to worry about. Id be more worried about the fact that there are people out there who beleive that there is a better life after death. Millions and millions of people over hundreds of years have died because of religious beliefs not because of crap jokes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barney Rubble View Post
    Sorry but comments like that are not what the future of the country has to worry about. Id be more worried about the fact that there are people out there who beleive that there is a better life after death. Millions and millions of people over hundreds of years have died because of religious beliefs not because of crap jokes.
    WRONG.

    People have died because of Politics. Not religion. I am of faith, incidentally not roman catholic.

    So you are more worried about openly bigoted views than openly held views of life after death through Christ by living a life according to teachings in the Bible or the Qu'ran?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legolas View Post
    WRONG.

    People have died because of Politics. Not religion. I am of faith, incidentally not roman catholic.

    So you are more worried about openly bigoted views than openly held views of life after death through Christ by living a life according to teachings in the Bible or the Qu'ran?
    people may have died because of politics but people have died because of religion. I personally only believe in facts and what can be proven. I think the poster just made a crap joke at the end of his comment and people have jumped on him for it. HE believes that was funy and you dont believe it to be funny...see where im going ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Legolas View Post
    WRONG.

    People have died because of Politics. Not religion. I am of faith, incidentally not roman catholic.
    Barney's point is valid, that religion has been at the root of many political reasons behind death over the years.

    To try and put a line between the two is more wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legolas

    WRONG.

    People have died because of Politics. Not religion. I am of faith, incidentally not roman catholic.

    So you are more worried about openly bigoted views than openly held views of life after death through Christ by living a life according to teachings in the Bible or the Qu'ran?
    Bigoted views which can be proven. The pope was a member of the hitler youth. That is the truth. Thousands of children have been assaulted and abused by roman catholic priests, whose actions were covered up by the catholic church. Fact. Ski raises some more pertinent points. I don't believe in any religion so why should my two money be wasted on thus visit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by St Steve View Post
    Bigoted views which can be proven. The pope was a member of the hitler youth. That is the truth. Thousands of children have been assaulted and abused by roman catholic priests, whose actions were covered up by the catholic church. Fact. Ski raises some more pertinent points. I don't believe in any religion so why should my two money be wasted on thus visit.
    Nearly every child in Germany was a member of the Hitler youth. It is what Hitler did. In fact, the Hitler youth, indoctrination of the facist values aside, was one of Hitler's finest policies. But that is another debate. The point is that cannot be held against the Pontiff.

    Now, I am as far from religious as you can get. I regularly enter theological debate with the many Mormons and Jehovahs that grace our door.

    As a head of state, which he is, the Vatican is it's own state (and IIRC, the most wealthy in the world) then we have to pay for it, particularly as long as the Queen and Prime Minister get nice free trips round the world. And we have had far more dubios characters over on state visits, like the head of Saudi Arabia.

    I don't agree with his and his church's teachings (as I have mentioned) be we have to welcome him.

    And it has raised an important issue for atheists such as myself. How many have professed to being "religious" on the last cencus, despite then claiming not to be religious? I had to fight with my mum (I was 13 at the time) to not put CofE on my form.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spider Ski

    Nearly every child in Germany was a member of the Hitler youth. It is what Hitler did. In fact, the Hitler youth, indoctrination of the facist values aside, was one of Hitler's finest policies. But that is another debate. The point is that cannot be held against the Pontiff.
    Sorry that doesn't hold water with me. There where many brave Germans who stood up to hitler and didn't meekly do as they where told. Obviously the pope wasn't one of those. Reading about him he was deeply religious as a child bit his beliefs weren't that strong to stand up to something which was wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by St Steve View Post
    Bigoted views which can be proven. The pope was a member of the hitler youth. That is the truth. Thousands of children have been assaulted and abused by roman catholic priests, whose actions were covered up by the catholic church. Fact. Ski raises some more pertinent points. I don't believe in any religion so why should my two money be wasted on thus visit.
    the Vatican is a state, same as the UK and the US and France ... Etc etc. The Pope is the head of that state. Thus it is a state visit on this occasion.

    We couldn't afford the billions spent on the G8 in central London and the other state visit, but you are not ranting and raving about those state visits.

    You are taking facts and warping them for your own purposes. Ratzinger was in the Hitler Youth and had no choice. Child abuse is terrible but it is a small minority and you are part of this ridiculous modern culture that is accusing every Catholic priest of Paedophilia when it reality its anything but.

    I don't agree with the EU. Why should my money go there?

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    I just wish these miscellaneous religious nut jobs would all just invest 5 quid each in buying a calendar to find out that we don't actually live in the 17th century anymore. There is no place in a civilised modern society for the likes of the Catholic church or Islam. I live on the basis of anything goes so long as it doesn't cause a murder and despise these mediaeval, power and money mad organisations with their twisted agendas to dominate the lives of billions of people with ridiculous and dangerous dogma. If and when the end of the world comes it will be these scumbags that will likely cause it... I'm a complete non-believer but give me the good old CoE with it's rather more evolved attitudes any day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by St Steve View Post
    Sorry that doesn't hold water with me. There where many brave Germans who stood up to hitler and didn't meekly do as they where told. Obviously the pope wasn't one of those. Reading about him he was deeply religious as a child bit his beliefs weren't that strong to stand up to something which was wrong.
    You expect a 10 year old who has quite clearly undergoe some serious indoctrination to be so religiously entwined to be able to stand up to a facist state?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northampton_Saint
    I just wish these miscellaneous religious nut jobs would all just invest 5 quid each in buying a calendar to find out that we don't actually live in the 17th century anymore. There is no place in a civilised modern society for the likes of the Catholic church or Islam. I live on the basis of anything goes so long as it doesn't cause a murder and despise these mediaeval, power and money mad organisations with their twisted agendas to dominate the lives of billions of people with ridiculous and dangerous dogma. If and when the end of the world comes it will be these scumbags that will likely cause it... I'm a complete non-believer but give me the good old CoE with it's rather more evolved attitudes any day.
    Hear hear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Northampton_Saint View Post
    I just wish these miscellaneous religious nut jobs would all just invest 5 quid each in buying a calendar to find out that we don't actually live in the 17th century anymore. There is no place in a civilised modern society for the likes of the Catholic church or Islam. I live on the basis of anything goes so long as it doesn't cause a murder and despise these mediaeval, power and money mad organisations with their twisted agendas to dominate the lives of billions of people with ridiculous and dangerous dogma. If and when the end of the world comes it will be these scumbags that will likely cause it... I'm a complete non-believer but give me the good old CoE with it's rather more evolved attitudes any day.
    Quick suggestion, take your head out of the papers and learn about the religions you are slandering before commenting. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. And suggesting their is no place for religion is ridiculous and as much an idea for anti religious indoctrination as the so called religious indoctrination you suggest as part of your argument.

    Islan does not condone murder and 9/11 any more than Catholocism condones child abuse. I am Anglican and by extension, CofE, and our church has a many diverse sects as the RC church, difference is they have a strong leader and we have a blithering idiot who doesn't stand on our faith and beliefs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spider Ski

    You expect a 10 year old who has quite clearly undergoe some serious indoctrination to be so religiously entwined to be able to stand up to a facist state?
    He 14 and at 16 joined an anti aircraft unit. Old enough to know what he was doing could have ran off before the end of the war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Legolas

    Quick suggestion, take your head out of the papers and learn about the religions you are slandering before commenting. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. And suggesting their is no place for religion is ridiculous and as much an idea for anti religious indoctrination as the so called religious indoctrination you suggest as part of your argument.

    Islan does not condone murder and 9/11 any more than Catholocism condones child abuse. I am Anglican and by extension, CofE, and our church has a many diverse sects as the RC church, difference is they have a strong leader and we have a blithering idiot who doesn't stand on our faith and beliefs
    Because someone comes up with views different to yours they are slandering your religion. Take your head out if the bible and realize there is no god and the world was not created in 7 days. Also when you die that's it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by St Steve View Post
    He 14 and at 16 joined an anti aircraft unit. Old enough to know what he was doing could have ran off before the end of the war.
    Yes, at 14, he was conscripted. It was a legal requirement. It has also gone on record that he was an "unenthusiastic member, who refused to attend meetings." (Quote from a USA Today article).

    He was also "drafted" at 16. Notably, he had a cousin with down syndrome taken off an killed by the state. Had he gone in hiding from his draft, he would have ended up in a similar fate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by St Steve View Post
    Because someone comes up with views different to yours they are slandering your religion. Take your head out if the bible and realize there is no god and the world was not created in 7 days. Also when you die that's it.
    I have no problems with alternative views, there are plenty in the church and outside. What i object to is someone passing judgment on something they know absolutely nothing about. You have no idea about the theology of Christianity or Islam and yet you are forming judgments that mirror the sensationalist news reels.

    I'll keep my head in the Bible thanks. There is more truth and justice in that than the newspapers that give you your opinions.

    If you want a theological debate about faith, you need to form informed judgments. Since you haven't got any such informed views, lets just say this. If you're right, I've lost nothing by living my life according to the Bible's teachings. If I'm right, eternity is a hell of a long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legolas

    I have no problems with alternative views, there are plenty in the church and outside. What i object to is someone passing judgment on something they know absolutely nothing about. You have no idea about the theology of Christianity or Islam and yet you are forming judgments that mirror the sensationalist news reels.

    I'll keep my head in the Bible thanks. There is more truth and justice in that than the newspapers that give you your opinions.

    If you want a theological debate about faith, you need to form informed judgments. Since you haven't got any such informed views, lets just say this. If you're right, I've lost nothing by living my life according to the Bible's teachings. If I'm right, eternity is a hell of a long time.
    I know one thing and that is god did not create the earth in 7 days and we aren't descended from Adam and eve and it's impossible to have a virgin birth. I'll carry on reading Richard Dawkins you carry on reading fantasy book.
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