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    Much has been made of referees missing forward passes and the game becoming like RU.

    Even worse on Saturday in the Humberside derby FC had a what looked like a perfectly legit try chalked off for a forward pass which was immediately followed by a Rovers try and cost them the game.

    How do they miss blatent forward passes yet manage to give what was at worst marginally flat ?

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    thats was shocking at hull, never forward and then kr scored straight after! Cost hull the game and probably any chance of the playoffs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Div View Post
    Much has been made of referees missing forward passes and the game becoming like RU.

    Even worse on Saturday in the Humberside derby FC had a what looked like a perfectly legit try chalked off for a forward pass which was immediately followed by a Rovers try and cost them the game.

    How do they miss blatent forward passes yet manage to give what was at worst marginally flat ?
    spot on, pathetic decision

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    yup absolutely ridiculous, was a great play between raynor and hall too, cost hull big time, the touch judge was about 30m behind play and silverwood a good 5m behind play too, not in a position to make the call at all.

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    One of the main things I notice when watching games from 10-15 years ago, and compare them to now, is the forward passes.

    It is getting ridiculous now. We have full time referees but the standard has dropped dramatically.

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    Surely the time has come to send debatable passes that lead to tries to the fourth official. If the video ref can't prove that a pass was forward or okay then it should go back to 'ref's call' but some can be proven easily with a replay.

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    The person to blame for all this is Stevo and his silly "momentum" rule.

    Every time we have a contenious issue he brings another phrase in and the next week the referees play to it, so they don't get flogged for it. The thing is the players don't know anything about it

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHANNEL22 View Post
    The person to blame for all this is Stevo and his silly "momentum" rule.

    Every time we have a contenious issue he brings another phrase in and the next week the referees play to it, so they don't get flogged for it. The thing is the players don't know anything about it
    The pass in question was clearly backward and perfectly legal.

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    I think maybe the more 'blatent' forward passes should be looked at by the Video Ref whenever possible. I mean, if they can look at the markings on the floor and see, for instance that the pass was made 2 m before the 20m marking and was collected by the other player 2 m after the 20 m marking then the camera angles don't to come into the question. It's a forward pass whichever way you look at it.

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    We should get the the old birds eye view camera that the BBC produce! that is, for me, the only camera angle that can 9 times out of 10 than can tell forward passes! Get this back in and use the video ref for this too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHANNEL22 View Post
    The person to blame for all this is Stevo and his silly "momentum" rule.

    Every time we have a contenious issue he brings another phrase in and the next week the referees play to it, so they don't get flogged for it. The thing is the players don't know anything about it
    With the technology Sky have it would be simple for them to mark on the field where the player passing was stood and where the player receiving the ball was stood when he caught. They could simply then compare the two spots and if it went forward then its not try. No momentum rule or anything like that. The Hull try was fine and it cost them the game given that Rovers went down the other end and scored straight away. Basically a 12 point swing in a derby game, and a replay would have solved it easily.

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    Its harder these days because teams are coached in flat spin passing.

    In th'olden days players were not coached effectively in the uk and therfore had no appreciation of making the gain line. Hence we often saw deep passing lines, with teams losing ground when a move floundered. The end result being the fullback booting the ball away in an act of desperation.

    Today teams understand the importance of field position, so ensure that they pass in a manner that guarantees a yardage gain. Hence there are more borderline passes.

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    If the technology was introduced where would that leave Leeds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big bossman View Post
    If the technology was introduced where would that leave Leeds.
    No need for technology. Just look at the shadows and the path of the ball. Never a forward

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    Leeds have been throwing blatent forward passes for years.

    More and more seem to have crept into the game this seaso nthough that have not been seen by the officials.

    I was watching the highlights from Celtic and Bradford from the weekend, and Burgess' pass to the supporting player for a try when he had made a break, was a mile forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHANNEL22 View Post
    No need for technology. Just look at the shadows and the path of the ball. Never a forward
    You can't use shadows due to the angle the lights towards the pitch.

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    It all comes down to how seriously the Super League treat this. Sky have all sorts of technological tools when it comes to football and cricket.
    It wouldn't be hard for them to simply draw a line of a balls path from one player to another and work it out. Obviously this could only be used for try scoring situations where the ref could let play go on then ask the video ref to look at it, because if it were used for all forward looking passes then the refs would bottle it and we'd have a video ref decision every five minutes when Leeds are playing.

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    I think the easiest way would be to look at markings on the pitch and then have software and/or technology which basically drew a line parallel to the markings on the pitch which could then be moved back and forwards.

    The line could be moved to where the pass was released from and show how the ball deviates away from the original path.

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    It's usually easy to spot a forward pass, same as onside / offside is an easy one too. Sometimes I can't believe what they are saying on Sky, it's like they have no grasp of logic or physics.

    The Hull one was given as forward because Raynor had to reach forward for it slightly. That's one of the things refs are looking for when they make the decision.

    It was a legit pass though and Silverwood would probably admit it looking back.

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