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    Having a lazy day following the trip dawn sawth, I thought I would ring to talk to Phil ( i love whelan now lennigan ) Kinsella about the salary cap, and the positives of the system. However much to my amazment daft Wiganner after daft Wiganner, one even named Mona got air time, but not I. Just a thought but is it the St Helens address?:saint:

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    For me the positives of the salary cap is that it has brought the standard between bottom and top closer, no doubt.

    But the negatives, are that this is because the skill levels have dropped from the top sides and because of this we were embarrassed in the World Cup.

    Also the bottom sides are not encouraged to enhance their youth operation as they know that the top sides will have to release numerous young kids to get under the cap and they can just take these on.

    I think if they put some type of rules in that help clubs keep their youngsters (maybe a % of their wages dont count if they come thru the ranks from the youth system) then it could be a bigger success

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    Quote Originally Posted by bazdev View Post

    Also the bottom sides are not encouraged to enhance their youth operation as they know that the top sides will have to release numerous young kids to get under the cap and they can just take these on.

    I think if they put some type of rules in that help clubs keep their youngsters (maybe a % of their wages dont count if they come thru the ranks from the youth system) then it could be a bigger success
    . Well it wouldnt apply to your lot cos you get shut of all youngsters to let in aussies cos you want success starightaway and cant/wont wait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by St Steve View Post
    . Well it wouldnt apply to your lot cos you get shut of all youngsters to let in aussies cos you want success starightaway and cant/wont wait.
    Agreed.

    The youth wigan let go is stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redman! View Post
    Agreed.

    The youth wigan let go is stupid.
    Isn't that his point??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kakariki View Post
    Isn't that his point??
    He says there needs to be a rule in SL, to help clubs keep there youngsters.

    Why?
    Saints Have Brought youngsters through which are now playing first team football and the club (saints) are finacially secure with paying these youngsters.

    Where as wigan in the past have let alot of good youth players good.

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    They already have put this in place. There is a reduction in wages against the cap for any locally produced player, ie that has come through the youth system at their respective clubs.

    The cap has prevented clubs like Wigan from effectively buying success as they would bid for the cream of the oversees talent. Undoubtedly Wigan would have snapped up an oversees scrum half if the current regulations werent in place, and who knows what would have happened to the likes of Tomkins. I suspect he would join the long list of ex wigan players plying the trade in superleague.

    Clubs are now encouraged to adopt business plans and youth systems as part of the licence conditions, Saints and Leeds have brought through alot of talent and Wigan appear to have at least 4-5 good quality juniors.

    Other clubs are starting to develop their own, Cudjoe, Myler, Boyle, Shenton, Crabtree, Ben Harrison, Dale Ferguson, McCarthy Scarsbrook, Scott More etc etc and the league is naturally levelling out.

    I would argue that the talent in the recent past hasnt been given the opportunity and the national game has other major influencing issues such as the amount of games played in superleague, preperation time including warm up games, and mid season training camps for such prestiguous tournaments.

    Tony Smith refreshingly selected alot of the up and coming talent rather than stick to the "old guard". The cap can always been tweaked and improved but the concept as a whole is evidentally working.

    Some blinkered Wigan fans blame Britains demise solely on the cap, some of the other issues have been mentioned above. I dont believe that all these fans are that sincere in why they want it changing, but would like to revert back to the days of Wigan being able to outbid everyone else in order to provide an expensive quick fix to the top of the tree.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kakariki View Post
    Isn't that his point??
    but who did they bring in. They could have kept the youngsters and built for the future. We could have kept long gilmour and let youngsters go but we chose not to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by St Steve View Post
    . Well it wouldnt apply to your lot cos you get shut of all youngsters to let in aussies cos you want success starightaway and cant/wont wait.
    But in fairness to Wigan, their real superstars that came through such as Farrell, Radlinski and now potentially Tomkins, they do actually keep. Much like we do with KC, Roby, Graham etc.

    Losing Long was well documented and Gilmour to some extent but the ones they have sold have not really set the world alight. I rate Wild but the others have been average really. Briscoe was never going to replace Radlinski and came through at the wrong time. It was like when Lee Sharpe was Englands brightest youngster and then Giggs came through a year later. Bad luck on Sharpe's part.

    They also look to be developing the current youngsters like Goulding, Mossop and Joel Tomkins by allowing them to go on short term loans to gain experience.

    I dislike Wigan as much as the next Saints fan but I feel that their letting the good youngsters go storyline is a bit of a myth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reacher View Post

    I dislike Wigan as much as the next Saints fan but I feel that their letting the good youngsters go storyline is a bit of a myth.
    Lindsay was that myth yeth he thertainly was that myth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theres only one stan wall View Post
    Other clubs are starting to develop their own, Cudjoe, Myler, Boyle, Shenton, Crabtree, Ben Harrison, Dale Ferguson, McCarthy Scarsbrook, Scott More etc etc and the league is naturally levelling out.
    Really?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reacher View Post
    But in fairness to Wigan, their real superstars that came through such as Farrell, Radlinski and now potentially Tomkins, they do actually keep. Much like we do with KC, Roby, Graham etc.

    Losing Long was well documented and Gilmour to some extent but the ones they have sold have not really set the world alight. I rate Wild but the others have been average really. Briscoe was never going to replace Radlinski and came through at the wrong time. It was like when Lee Sharpe was Englands brightest youngster and then Giggs came through a year later. Bad luck on Sharpe's part.

    They also look to be developing the current youngsters like Goulding, Mossop and Joel Tomkins by allowing them to go on short term loans to gain experience.

    I dislike Wigan as much as the next Saints fan but I feel that their letting the good youngsters go storyline is a bit of a myth.
    Agreed, the ones that are any good, O'Loughlin, Hock, etc they've kept.

    The likes of Robinson, Brown, Hodgson et al will never be any better than average.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Billinge Lump View Post
    Really?


    Yes! Scott Moore made his debut at your place 16yrs of age.


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    Quote Originally Posted by theres only one stan wall View Post


    Yes! Scott Moore made his debut at your place 16yrs of age.
    I think its because it looked as though you had Moore down as a product of Hudds academy when he obviously came through ours. Thats what he means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bazdev View Post
    But the negatives, are that this is because the skill levels have dropped from the top sides and because of this we were embarrassed in the World Cup.
    I take it you don't remember the 2000 World Cup which was FAR more embarrassing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reacher View Post
    I think its because it looked as though you had Moore down as a product of Hudds academy when he obviously came through ours. Thats what he means.
    Indeed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theres only one stan wall View Post


    Yes! Scott Moore made his debut at your place 16yrs of age.


    He made his debut at the JJB IIRC, not KR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theres only one stan wall View Post
    Tony Smith refreshingly selected alot of the up and coming talent rather than stick to the "old guard".
    Bad decision by tony IMO, he went on record saying these players aren’t necessarily going to play at the end of the year, so rather than let saints/leeds bond (the lack of which apparently made us abysmal in the world cup) he puts out a load of players who wont even be playing!! In the preseason friendly’s did we leave out Cunningham, Long, Gilmore, Gardner, Graham, Roby and the rest and play the academy team and claim it as building for the future? giving the team of tomorrow a game?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reacher View Post
    But in fairness to Wigan, their real superstars that came through such as Farrell, Radlinski and now potentially Tomkins, they do actually keep. Much like we do with KC, Roby, Graham etc.

    Losing Long was well documented and Gilmour to some extent but the ones they have sold have not really set the world alight. I rate Wild but the others have been average really. Briscoe was never going to replace Radlinski and came through at the wrong time. It was like when Lee Sharpe was Englands brightest youngster and then Giggs came through a year later. Bad luck on Sharpe's part.

    They also look to be developing the current youngsters like Goulding, Mossop and Joel Tomkins by allowing them to go on short term loans to gain experience.

    I dislike Wigan as much as the next Saints fan but I feel that their letting the good youngsters go storyline is a bit of a myth.


    Tremendous post. Somebody who actually watches rugby and doesnt believe the propaganda

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